linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm/ksm: introduce ksm

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Message-ID: <YoTiqm4sQCtq8C1C@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Date:   Wed, 18 May 2022 14:12:26 +0200
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
To:     CGEL <cgel.zte@...il.com>
Cc:     akpm@...ux-foundation.org, ammarfaizi2@...weeb.org,
        oleksandr@...alenko.name, willy@...radead.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        corbet@....net, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        xu xin <xu.xin16@....com.cn>,
        Yang Yang <yang.yang29@....com.cn>,
        Ran Xiaokai <ran.xiaokai@....com.cn>,
        wangyong <wang.yong12@....com.cn>,
        Yunkai Zhang <zhang.yunkai@....com.cn>,
        Jiang Xuexin <jiang.xuexin@....com.cn>,
        Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>, linux-api@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/ksm: introduce ksm_enabled for each process

On Wed 18-05-22 02:47:06, CGEL wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 04:04:38PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [CCing Hugh and linux-api]
> > 
> > On Tue 17-05-22 09:27:01, cgel.zte@...il.com wrote:
> > > From: xu xin <xu.xin16@....com.cn>
> > > 
> > > For now, if we want to use KSM to merge pages of some apps, we have to
> > > explicitly call madvise() in application code, which means installed
> > > apps on OS needs to be uninstall and source code needs to be modified.
> > > It is very inconvenient because sometimes users or app developers are not
> > > willing to modify their app source codes for any reasons.
> 
> Hello, Michal.
> > 
> > Would it help to allow external control by process_madvise?
> >
> 
> Maybe, but it will be much more complicated to achieve this by
> process_madvise(). process_madvise works on a serires of VMAs in
> essential, So all the eligible VMAs have to be traversed. The problem
> about this has been discussed in [1],[2].
> [1]https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1835064.A2aMcgg3dW@natalenko.name/
> [2]https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220513133210.9dd0a4216bd8baaa1047562c@linux-foundation.org/

I can see that this is not a trivial interface to use but I do not
think this would be too hard to be usable. There is certainly some
coordination required between the external and the target tasks. But
that is to be expected IMHO. You do not really want to configure merging
without actually understanding what the application does and whether
that is really OK. Right?

Besides that, as far as I remember, the process_madvise interface
doesn't really require exact vmas to be provided and a single range can
span multiple VMAs.

> > > So to use KSM more flexibly, we provide a new proc file "ksm_enabled" under
> > > /proc/<pid>/. We can pass parameter into this file with one of three values
> > > as follows:
> > > 
> > > 	always:
> > > 		force all anonymous and eligible VMAs of this process to be
> > > 		scanned by ksmd.
> > > 	madvise:
> > > 		the default state, unless user code call madvise, ksmd
> > > 		doesn't scan this process.
> > > 	never:
> > > 		this process will never be scanned by ksmd and no merged
> > > 		pages occurred in this process.
> > > 
> > > With this patch, we can control KSM with ``/proc/<pid>/ksm_enabled``
> > > based on every process. KSM for each process can be entirely disabled
> > > (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_MERGEABLE
> > > regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more cpu resources to scan for
> > > ksmd) or enabled entirely for a process.
> > 
> > I am not really familiar with KSM much but I am wondering whether the
> > proc based interface is really the best fit. We have a very similar
> > concern with THP where processes would like to override the global setup
> > and that has been done with prctl interface. Is there any reason why
> > this should be any different?
> > 
> At least for now, I can't find a simpler implementation than proc file,
> unless we add a new syscall used for changing another process mm's flag
> in user space.

What is the problem with the prctl extension?

> Speaking to THP, the interactive UI of KSM is relatively simpler because
> KSM dosen't have global knob like THP. OTOH, THP trades space for time
> (consume memory) while KSM trades time for space (save memory), so THP
> tends to be enabled system wide while KSM not.
> 
> > Another question I have is about the interaction of the per-process
> > tunable with any explicit madvise calls. AFAICS you have made this knob
> > per mm but the actual implementation currently relies on the per-vma
> > flags. That means that one can explicitly disallow merging by madvise
> > for a range. Is it wise to override that by a per-process knob? I mean
> > there might be a very good reason why a particular memory ranges should
> > never be merged but a per-process knob could easily ignore that hint
> > from the application. Or am I just confuse?
> For now, there is no any hints for letting KSM never merge some memory
> ranges.

I am not sure I understand. Could you be more specific?
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs