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Date:   Wed, 18 May 2022 15:18:22 +0300
From:   "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>
To:     David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/tdx: Handle load_unaligned_zeropad() page-cross to a
 shared page

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 08:39:45AM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Kirill A. Shutemov
> > Sent: 17 May 2022 16:30
> > 
> > load_unaligned_zeropad() can lead to unwanted loads across page boundaries.
> > The unwanted loads are typically harmless. But, they might be made to
> > totally unrelated or even unmapped memory. load_unaligned_zeropad()
> > relies on exception fixup (#PF, #GP and now #VE) to recover from these
> > unwanted loads.
> > 
> > In TDX guest the second page can be shared page and VMM may configure it
> > to trigger #VE.
> > 
> > Kernel assumes that #VE on a shared page is MMIO access and tries to
> > decode instruction to handle it. In case of load_unaligned_zeropad() it
> > may result in confusion as it is not MMIO access.
> > 
> > Check fixup table before trying to handle MMIO.
> 
> Is it best to avoid that all happening by avoiding mapping
> 'normal memory' below anything that isn't normal memory.
> 
> Even on a normal system it is potentially possibly that the
> second page might be MMIO and reference a target that doesn't
> want to see non-word sized reads.
> (Or the first location might be a fifo and the read consumes
> some data.)
> 
> In that case the cpu won't fault the access, but the hardware
> access might have rather unexpected side effects.
> 
> Now the way MMIO pages are allocated probably makes that
> impossible - but load_unaligned_zeropad() relies on
> it not happening or not breaking anything.

Normally MMIO mappings comes from ioremap() and it does not land next to
normal pages in virtual memory. So I don't think there's high risk of MMIO
being a problem on normal machines.

What makes TDX (and other confidential computing platforms) different is
security model: host and VMM considered hostile and we need protect
against it. In TDX case, VMM can make any shared memory (such as DMA
buffers) to trigger #VE that kernel interprets as MMIO access. We need to
make sure host cannot exploit it.

-- 
 Kirill A. Shutemov

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