linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v6 3/8] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD

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Message-ID: <20220602100733.GA1296997@chaop.bj.intel.com>
Date:   Thu, 2 Jun 2022 18:07:33 +0800
From:   Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@...ux.intel.com>
To:     "Gupta, Pankaj" <pankaj.gupta@....com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/8] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag

On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 02:11:42PM +0200, Gupta, Pankaj wrote:
> 
> > > > Introduce a new memfd_create() flag indicating the content of the
> > > > created memfd is inaccessible from userspace through ordinary MMU
> > > > access (e.g., read/write/mmap). However, the file content can be
> > > > accessed via a different mechanism (e.g. KVM MMU) indirectly.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > SEV, TDX, pkvm and software-only VMs seem to have usecases to set up
> > > initial guest boot memory with the needed blobs.
> > > TDX already supports a KVM IOCTL to transfer contents to private
> > > memory using the TDX module but rest of the implementations will need
> > > to invent
> > > a way to do this.
> > 
> > There are some discussions in https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flkml.org%2Flkml%2F2022%2F5%2F9%2F1292&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cpankaj.gupta%40amd.com%7Cb81ef334e2dd44c6143308da43b87d17%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637896756895977587%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=oQbM2Hj7GlhJTwnTM%2FPnwsfJlmTL7JR9ULBysAqm6V8%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > already. I somehow agree with Sean. TDX is using an dedicated ioctl to
> > copy guest boot memory to private fd so the rest can do that similarly.
> > The concern is the performance (extra memcpy) but it's trivial since the
> > initial guest payload is usually optimized in size.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Is there a plan to support a common implementation for either allowing
> > > initial write access from userspace to private fd or adding a KVM
> > > IOCTL to transfer contents to such a file,
> > > as part of this series through future revisions?
> > 
> > Indeed, adding pre-boot private memory populating on current design
> > isn't impossible, but there are still some opens, e.g. how to expose
> > private fd to userspace for access, pKVM and CC usages may have
> > different requirements. Before that's well-studied I would tend to not
> > add that and instead use an ioctl to copy. Whether we need a generic
> > ioctl or feature-specific ioctl, I don't have strong opinion here.
> > Current TDX uses a feature-specific ioctl so it's not covered in this
> > series.
> 
> Common function or ioctl to populate preboot private memory actually makes
> sense.
> 
> Sorry, did not follow much of TDX code yet, Is it possible to filter out
> the current TDX specific ioctl to common function so that it can be used by
> other technologies?

TDX code is here:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/kvm/patch/70ed041fd47c1f7571aa259450b3f9244edda48d.1651774250.git.isaku.yamahata@intel.com/

AFAICS It might be possible to filter that out to a common function. But
would like to hear from Paolo/Sean for their opinion.

Chao
> 
> Thanks,
> Pankaj