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Date:   Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:14:05 +0200
From:   Maxime Ripard <maxime@...no.tech>
To:     Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/4] drm/bridge: Add devm_drm_bridge_add()

On Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 01:19:16PM +0300, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 11:21, Maxime Ripard <maxime@...no.tech> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 02:06:34PM -0700, Doug Anderson wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 10:00 AM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 2:17 AM Maxime Ripard <maxime@...no.tech> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 12:29:43PM -0700, Douglas Anderson wrote:
> > > > > > This adds a devm managed version of drm_bridge_add(). Like other
> > > > > > "devm" function listed in drm_bridge.h, this function takes an
> > > > > > explicit "dev" to use for the lifetime management. A few notes:
> > > > > > * In general we have a "struct device" for bridges that makes a good
> > > > > >   candidate for where the lifetime matches exactly what we want.
> > > > > > * The "bridge->dev->dev" device appears to be the encoder
> > > > > >   device. That's not the right device to use for lifetime management.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Suggested-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org>
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > If we are to introduce more managed helpers, I think it'd be wiser to
> > > > > introduce them as DRM-managed, and not device managed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, you'll end up in a weird state when a device has been removed
> > > > > but the DRM device is still around.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kinda confused. In this case there is no DRM device for the bridge
> > > > and, as per my CL description, "bridge-dev->dev" appears to be the
> > > > encoder device. I wasn't personally involved in discussions about it,
> > > > but I was under the impression that this was expected / normal. Thus
> > > > we can't make this DRM-managed.
> > >
> > > Since I didn't hear a reply,
> >
> > Gah, I replied but it looks like somehow it never reached the ML...
> >
> > Here was my original reply:
> >
> > > > > This adds a devm managed version of drm_bridge_add(). Like other
> > > > > "devm" function listed in drm_bridge.h, this function takes an
> > > > > explicit "dev" to use for the lifetime management. A few notes:
> > > > > * In general we have a "struct device" for bridges that makes a good
> > > > >   candidate for where the lifetime matches exactly what we want.
> > > > > * The "bridge->dev->dev" device appears to be the encoder
> > > > >   device. That's not the right device to use for lifetime management.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suggested-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
> > > >
> > > > If we are to introduce more managed helpers, I think it'd be wiser to
> > > > introduce them as DRM-managed, and not device managed.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, you'll end up in a weird state when a device has been removed
> > > > but the DRM device is still around.
> > >=20
> > > I'm kinda confused. In this case there is no DRM device for the bridge
> > > and, as per my CL description, "bridge-dev->dev" appears to be the
> > > encoder device.
> >
> > bridge->dev seems right though?
> >
> > > I wasn't personally involved in discussions about it, but I was under
> > > the impression that this was expected / normal. Thus we can't make
> > > this DRM-managed.
> >
> > Still, I don't think devm is the right solution to this either.
> >
> > The underlying issue is two-fold:
> >
> >   - Encoders can have a pointer to a bridge through of_drm_find_bridge
> >     or similar. However, bridges are traditionally tied to their device
> >     lifetime (by calling drm_bridge_add in probe, and drm_bridge_remove
> >     in remove). Encoders will typically be tied to the DRM device
> >     however, and that one sticks around until the last application
> >     closes it. We can thus very easily end up with a dangling pointer,
> >     and a use-after-free.
> >
> >   - It's not the case yet, but it doesn't seem far fetch to expose
> >     properties of bridges to the userspace. In that case, the userspace
> >     would be likely to still hold references to objects that aren't
> >     there anymore when the bridge is gone.
> >
> > The first is obviously a larger concern, but if we can find a solution
> > that would accomodate the second it would be great.
> >
> > As far as I can see, we should fix in two steps:
> >
> >   - in drm_bridge_attach, we should add a device-managed call that will
> >     unregister the main DRM device. We don't allow to probe the main DRM
> >     device when the bridge isn't there yet in most case, so it makes
> >     sense to remove it once the bridge is no longer there as well.
> 
> The problem is that I do not see a good way to unregister the main DRM
> device outside of it's driver code.

That's what drmm helpers are doing though: they'll defer the cleanup
until the last user has closed its fd.

> >   - When the DRM device is removed, have the core cleanup any bridge
> >     registered. That will remove the need to have drm_bridge_remove in
> >     the first place.
> >
> > > I'll assume that my response addressed your concerns. Assuming I get
> > > reviews for the other two patches in this series I'll plan to land
> > > this with Dmitry's review.
> >
> > I still don't think it's a good idea to merge it. It gives an illusion
> > of being safe, but it's really far from it.
> 
> It is more of removing the boilerplate code spread over all the
> drivers rather than about particular safety.
> 
> I'd propose to land devm_drm_bridge_add (and deprecate calling
> drm_bridge_remove from the bridge driver at some point) and work on
> the whole drm_device <-> drm_bridge problem in the meantime.

Do you really expect that to happen? :)

Anyway, it's been merged, it's too late now anyway. I don't really feel
like it's a good thing, but it doesn't really make the situation worse
either.

Maxime

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