linux-kernel - Re: [Linux v5.17.9] -Wdeprecated-declarations warnings with LLVM-14 and OpenSSL v3.0.x

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Message-ID: <20220609192308.GB10732@1wt.eu>
Date:   Thu, 9 Jun 2022 21:23:08 +0200
From:   Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
To:     Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@...il.com>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, keyrings@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@...ian.org>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        Tasmiya Nalatwad <tasmiya@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>
Subject: Re: [Linux v5.17.9] -Wdeprecated-declarations warnings with LLVM-14
 and OpenSSL v3.0.x

On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 09:19:20PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 9:05 PM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:41 AM Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Why go back and forth... do it like Alexander the Great and the Gordian knot.
> > >
> > > Sword - Swash - Done.
> > >
> > > commit 6bfb56e93bcef41859c2d5ab234ffd80b691be35
> > > "cert host tools: Stop complaining about deprecated OpenSSL functions"
> >
> > Well, it's not like that is the *right* fix.
> >
> > But I think for now, the answer is "leave it like that until we can
> > just get rid of the ENGINE API entirely".
> >
> > I absolutely detest the "deprecation" warnings. We used to do that in
> > the kernel too, and it was a complete disaster. The warnings are very
> > noisy, and nobody ever cares about them, so it's simply not worth it.
> >
> > So we deprecated "__deprecated" in the kernel itself:
> >
> >   771c035372a0 deprecate the '__deprecated' attribute warnings
> > entirely and for good
> >
> > and I don't think we should care about it when it comes to OpenSSL either.
> >
> > Eventually, that deprecated interface will go away entirely, and by
> > then we hopefully don't care about really old openssl implementations
> > and will have gotten rid of the uses.
> >
> > But for now, I think putting our head in the sand is actually the
> > _better_ model rather than fighting some battle over old vs new
> > libraries.
> >
> > Because sometimes, if you ignore a problem, it really does just go away.
> >
> 
> To be honest: I like your approach, Linus.
> Very pragma-tic.
> That's why you use pragma's in your patch :-).
> 
> I invested too much of my lifetime in making things work "correctly".
> And yes, it's post-rc1...
> 
> Most of the apps in the Debian world passed the OpenSSL-v3 transition.

IIRC you can also disable the deprecation warnings by defining the
OPENSSL_SUPPRESS_DEPRECATED macro. It doesn't require to change the
compiler's options and allows us to put our head in the sand.

Willy