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Date:   Wed, 15 Jun 2022 20:32:58 +0200
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@...ll.ch>
To:     "T.J. Mercier" <tjmercier@...gle.com>
Cc:     Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>,
        Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@...gle.com>,
        Minchan Kim <minchan@...gle.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...gle.com>,
        John Stultz <jstultz@...gle.com>,
        Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@...aro.org>,
        Hridya Valsaraju <hridya@...gle.com>, kernel-team@...roid.com,
        linux-media@...r.kernel.org, dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org,
        linaro-mm-sig@...ts.linaro.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] dma-buf: Move sysfs work out of DMA-BUF export path

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 at 19:43, T.J. Mercier <tjmercier@...gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:40 AM Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 08:12:16AM +0200, Christian König wrote:
> > > Am 25.05.22 um 23:05 schrieb T.J. Mercier:
> > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 7:38 AM Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 08:13:24AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 05:08:05PM -0700, T.J. Mercier wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:21 PM Christian König
> > > > > > > <christian.koenig@....com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Am 16.05.22 um 20:08 schrieb T.J. Mercier:
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:20 AM Christian König
> > > > > > > > > <christian.koenig@....com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Am 16.05.22 um 19:13 schrieb T.J. Mercier:
> > > > > > > > > > > Recently, we noticed an issue where a process went into direct reclaim
> > > > > > > > > > > while holding the kernfs rw semaphore for sysfs in write (exclusive)
> > > > > > > > > > > mode. This caused processes who were doing DMA-BUF exports and releases
> > > > > > > > > > > to go into uninterruptible sleep since they needed to acquire the same
> > > > > > > > > > > semaphore for the DMA-BUF sysfs entry creation/deletion. In order to avoid
> > > > > > > > > > > blocking DMA-BUF export for an indeterminate amount of time while
> > > > > > > > > > > another process is holding the sysfs rw semaphore in exclusive mode,
> > > > > > > > > > > this patch moves the per-buffer sysfs file creation to the default work
> > > > > > > > > > > queue. Note that this can lead to a short-term inaccuracy in the dmabuf
> > > > > > > > > > > sysfs statistics, but this is a tradeoff to prevent the hot path from
> > > > > > > > > > > being blocked. A work_struct is added to dma_buf to achieve this, but as
> > > > > > > > > > > it is unioned with the kobject in the sysfs_entry, dma_buf does not
> > > > > > > > > > > increase in size.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm still not very keen of this approach as it strongly feels like we
> > > > > > > > > > are working around shortcoming somewhere else.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My read of the thread for the last version is that we're running into
> > > > > > > > > a situation where sysfs is getting used for something it wasn't
> > > > > > > > > originally intended for, but we're also stuck with this sysfs
> > > > > > > > > functionality for dmabufs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Fixes: bdb8d06dfefd ("dmabuf: Add the capability to expose DMA-BUF stats in sysfs")
> > > > > > > > > > > Originally-by: Hridya Valsaraju <hridya@...gle.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: T.J. Mercier <tjmercier@...gle.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > See the originally submitted patch by Hridya Valsaraju here:
> > > > > > > > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flkml.org%2Flkml%2F2022%2F1%2F4%2F1066&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C8f00afd44b9744c45f5708da3e926503%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637891095771223650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=pubWqUyqhCWpXHhJHsoqarc3GLtB6IFB1rhgfsL4a1M%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > v2 changes:
> > > > > > > > > > > - Defer only sysfs creation instead of creation and teardown per
> > > > > > > > > > > Christian König
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - Use a work queue instead of a kthread for deferred work per
> > > > > > > > > > > Christian König
> > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > >     drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf-sysfs-stats.c | 56 ++++++++++++++++++++-------
> > > > > > > > > > >     include/linux/dma-buf.h               | 14 ++++++-
> > > > > > > > > > >     2 files changed, 54 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf-sysfs-stats.c b/drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf-sysfs-stats.c
> > > > > > > > > > > index 2bba0babcb62..67b0a298291c 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf-sysfs-stats.c
> > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf-sysfs-stats.c
> > > > > > > > > > > @@ -11,6 +11,7 @@
> > > > > > > > > > >     #include <linux/printk.h>
> > > > > > > > > > >     #include <linux/slab.h>
> > > > > > > > > > >     #include <linux/sysfs.h>
> > > > > > > > > > > +#include <linux/workqueue.h>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >     #include "dma-buf-sysfs-stats.h"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @@ -168,10 +169,46 @@ void dma_buf_uninit_sysfs_statistics(void)
> > > > > > > > > > >         kset_unregister(dma_buf_stats_kset);
> > > > > > > > > > >     }
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > +static void sysfs_add_workfn(struct work_struct *work)
> > > > > > > > > > > +{
> > > > > > > > > > > +     struct dma_buf_sysfs_entry *sysfs_entry =
> > > > > > > > > > > +             container_of(work, struct dma_buf_sysfs_entry, sysfs_add_work);
> > > > > > > > > > > +     struct dma_buf *dmabuf = sysfs_entry->dmabuf;
> > > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > > +     /*
> > > > > > > > > > > +      * A dmabuf is ref-counted via its file member. If this handler holds the only
> > > > > > > > > > > +      * reference to the dmabuf, there is no need for sysfs kobject creation. This is an
> > > > > > > > > > > +      * optimization and a race; when the reference count drops to 1 immediately after
> > > > > > > > > > > +      * this check it is not harmful as the sysfs entry will still get cleaned up in
> > > > > > > > > > > +      * dma_buf_stats_teardown, which won't get called until the final dmabuf reference
> > > > > > > > > > > +      * is released, and that can't happen until the end of this function.
> > > > > > > > > > > +      */
> > > > > > > > > > > +     if (file_count(dmabuf->file) > 1) {
> > > > > > > > > > Please completely drop that. I see absolutely no justification for this
> > > > > > > > > > additional complexity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This case gets hit around 5% of the time in my testing so the else is
> > > > > > > > > not a completely unused branch.
> > > > > > > > Well I can only repeat myself: This means that your userspace is
> > > > > > > > severely broken!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > DMA-buf are meant to be long living objects
> > > > > > > This patch addresses export *latency* regardless of how long-lived the
> > > > > > > object is. Even a single, long-lived export will benefit from this
> > > > > > > change if it would otherwise be blocked on adding an object to sysfs.
> > > > > > > I think attempting to improve this latency still has merit.
> > > > > > Fixing the latency is nice, but as it's just pushing the needed work off
> > > > > > to another code path, it will take longer overall for the sysfs stuff to
> > > > > > be ready for userspace to see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps we need to step back and understand what this code is supposed
> > > > > > to be doing.  As I recall, it was created because some systems do not
> > > > > > allow debugfs anymore, and they wanted the debugging information that
> > > > > > the dmabuf code was exposing to debugfs on a "normal" system.  Moving
> > > > > > that logic to sysfs made sense, but now I am wondering why we didn't see
> > > > > > these issues in the debugfs code previously?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps we should go just one step further and make a misc device node
> > > > > > for dmabug debugging information to be in and just have userspace
> > > > > > poll/read on the device node and we spit the info that used to be in
> > > > > > debugfs out through that?  That way this only affects systems when they
> > > > > > want to read the information and not normal code paths?  Yeah that's a
> > > > > > hack, but this whole thing feels overly complex now.
> > > > > A bit late on this discussion, but just wanted to add my +1 that we should
> > > > > either redesign the uapi, or fix the underlying latency issue in sysfs, or
> > > > > whatever else is deemed the proper fix.
> > > > >
> > > > > Making uapi interfaces async in ways that userspace can't discover is a
> > > > > hack that we really shouldn't consider, at least for upstream. All kinds
> > > > > of hilarious things might start to happen when an object exists, but not
> > > > > consistently in all the places where it should be visible. There's a
> > > > > reason sysfs has all these neat property groups so that absolutely
> > > > > everything is added atomically. Doing stuff later on just because usually
> > > > > no one notices that the illusion falls apart isn't great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately I don't have a clear idea here what would be the right
> > > > > solution :-/ One idea perhaps: Should we dynamically enumerate the objects
> > > > > when userspace does a readdir()? That's absolutely not how sysfs works,
> > > > > but procfs works like that and there's discussions going around about
> > > > > moving these optimizations to other kernfs implementations. At least there
> > > > > was a recent lwn article on this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flwn.net%2FArticles%2F895111%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C8f00afd44b9744c45f5708da3e926503%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637891095771223650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Q58OZi79vmKMCZLL0pY7NniIW6hmSqyWjlEaZgqzYtM%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > >
> > > > > But that would be serious amounts of work I guess.
> > > > > -Daniel
> > > > > --
> > > > > Daniel Vetter"
> > > > > Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
> > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ffwll.ch%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C8f00afd44b9744c45f5708da3e926503%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637891095771223650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=pOIl5yszzak4TPqjBYyL0mHjj%2F1nYRfNJbNPQTXBhbA%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > Hi Daniel,
> > > >
> > > > My team has been discussing this, and I think we're approaching a
> > > > consensus on a way forward that involves deprecating the existing
> > > > uapi.
> > > >
> > > > I actually proposed a similar (but less elegant) idea to the readdir()
> > > > one. A new "dump_dmabuf_data" sysfs file that a user would write to,
> > > > which would cause a one-time creation of the per-buffer files. These
> > > > could be left around to become stale, or get cleaned up after first
> > > > read. However to me it seems impossible to correctly deal with
> > > > multiple simultaneous users with this technique. We're not currently
> > > > planning to pursue this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the link to the article. That on-demand creation sounds
> > > > like it would allow us to keep the existing structure and files for
> > > > DMA-buf, assuming there is not a similar lock contention issue when
> > > > adding a new node to the virtual tree. :)
> > >
> > > I think that this on demand creation is even worse than the existing ideas,
> > > but if you can get Greg to accept the required sysfs changes than that's at
> > > least outside of my maintenance domain any more :)
> >
> > I think doing it cleanly in sysfs without changing the current uapi sounds
> > pretty good. The hand-rolled "touch a magic file to force update all the
> > files into existence" sounds like a horror show to me :-) Plus I don't see
> > how you can actually avoid the locking pain with that since once the files
> > are created, you have to remove them synchronously again, plus you get to
> > deal with races on top (and likely some locking inversion fun on top).
> > -Daniel
>
> Yes, lots of reasons not to pursue that angle. :)
>
> So I asked Greg about modifying sysfs for this purpose, and he's quite
> convincing that it's not the right way to approach this problem. So
> that leaves deprecating the per-buffer statistics. It looks like we
> can maintain the userspace functionality that depended on this by
> replacing it with a single sysfs node for "dmabuf_total_size" along
> with adding exporter information to procfs (via Kalesh's path patch
> [1]). However there is a separate effort to account dmabufs from heaps
> with cgroups [2], so if I'm able to make that work then we would not
> need the new "dmabuf_total_size" file since this same information
> could be obtained from the root cgroup instead. So I'd like to try
> that first before falling back to adding a new dmabuf_total_size file.

Sounds like a plan.
-Daniel

>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/875yll1fp1.fsf@stepbren-lnx.us.oracle.com/T/#m43a3d345f821a02babd4ebb1f4257982d027c9e4
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CABdmKX1xvm87WMEDkMc9Aye46E4zv1-scenwgaRxHesrOCsaYg@mail.gmail.com/T/#mb82eca5438a4ea7ab157ab9cd7f044cbcfeb5509
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > Daniel Vetter
> > Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
> > http://blog.ffwll.ch



-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

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