Message-ID: <CACGkMEsC4A+3WejLSOZoH3enXtai=+JyRNbxcpzK4vODYzhaFw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 28 Jun 2022 14:17:50 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     Cornelia Huck <cohuck@...hat.com>,
        Halil Pasic <pasic@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Heiko Carstens <hca@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Vasily Gorbik <gor@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>,
        Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@...ux.ibm.com>,
        linux-s390@...r.kernel.org,
        virtualization <virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        kvm <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ben Hutchings <ben@...adent.org.uk>,
        David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3] virtio: disable notification hardening by default

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 1:00 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 11:49:12AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > Heh. Yea sure. But things work fine for people. What is the chance
> > > your review found and fixed all driver bugs?
> >
> > I don't/can't audit all bugs but the race between open/close against
> > ready/reset. It looks to me a good chance to fix them all but if you
> > think differently, let me know
> >
> > > After two attempts
> > > I don't feel like hoping audit will fix all bugs.
> >
> > I've started the auditing and have 15+ patches in the queue. (only
> > covers bluetooth, console, pmem, virtio-net and caif). Spotting the
> > issue is not hard but the testing, It would take at least the time of
> > one release to finalize I guess.
>
> Absolutely. So I am looking for a way to implement hardening that does
> not break existing drivers.

I totally agree with you to seek a way without bothering the drivers.
Just wonder if this is possbile.

>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason config was kind of easy is that config interrupt is rarely
> > > > > vital for device function so arbitrarily deferring that does not lead to
> > > > > deadlocks - what you are trying to do with VQ interrupts is
> > > > > fundamentally different. Things are especially bad if we just drop
> > > > > an interrupt but deferring can lead to problems too.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure I see the difference, disable_irq() stuffs also delay the
> > > > interrupt processing until enable_irq().
> > >
> > >
> > > Absolutely. I am not at all sure disable_irq fixes all problems.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Consider as an example
> > > > >     virtio-net: fix race between ndo_open() and virtio_device_ready()
> > > > > if you just defer vq interrupts you get deadlocks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't see a deadlock here, maybe you can show more detail on this?
> > >
> > > What I mean is this: if we revert the above commit, things still
> > > work (out of spec, but still). If we revert and defer interrupts until
> > > device ready then ndo_open that triggers before device ready deadlocks.
> >
> > Ok, I guess you meant on a hypervisor that is strictly written with spec.
>
> I mean on hypervisor that starts processing queues after getting a kick
> even without DRIVER_OK.

Oh right.

>
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, thinking about all this, how about a simple per vq flag meaning
> > > > > "this vq was kicked since reset"?
> > > >
> > > > And ignore the notification if vq is not kicked? It sounds like the
> > > > callback needs to be synchronized with the kick.
> > >
> > > Note we only need to synchronize it when it changes, which is
> > > only during initialization and reset.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If driver does not kick then it's not ready to get callbacks, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds quite clean, but we need to think through memory ordering
> > > > > concerns - I guess it's only when we change the value so
> > > > >         if (!vq->kicked) {
> > > > >                 vq->kicked = true;
> > > > >                 mb();
> > > > >         }
> > > > >
> > > > > will do the trick, right?
> > > >
> > > > There's no much difference with the existing approach:
> > > >
> > > > 1) your proposal implicitly makes callbacks ready in virtqueue_kick()
> > > > 2) my proposal explicitly makes callbacks ready via virtio_device_ready()
> > > >
> > > > Both require careful auditing of all the existing drivers to make sure
> > > > no kick before DRIVER_OK.
> > >
> > > Jason, kick before DRIVER_OK is out of spec, sure. But it is unrelated
> > > to hardening
> >
> > Yes but with your proposal, it seems to couple kick with DRIVER_OK somehow.
>
> I don't see how - my proposal ignores DRIVER_OK issues.

Yes, what I meant is, in your proposal, the first kick after rest is a
hint that the driver is ok (but actually it could not).

>
> > > and in absence of config interrupts is generally easily
> > > fixed just by sticking virtio_device_ready early in initialization.
> >
> > So if the kick is done before the subsystem registration, there's
> > still a window in the middle (assuming we stick virtio_device_ready()
> > early):
> >
> > virtio_device_ready()
> > virtqueue_kick()
> > /* the window */
> > subsystem_registration()
>
> Absolutely, however, I do not think we really have many such drivers
> since this has been known as a wrong thing to do since the beginning.
> Want to try to find any?

Yes, let me try and update.

>I couldn't ... except maybe bluetooth
> but that's just maintainer nacking fixes saying he'll fix it
> his way ...
>
> > And during remove(), we get another window:
> >
> > subsysrem_unregistration()
> > /* the window */
> > virtio_device_reset()
>
> Same here.
>
> > if we do reset before, we may end up with other issues like deadlock.
> >
> > So I think it's probably very hard to fix issues only at the virtio
> > core since we need subsystem specific knowledge to make sure
> > everything is synchronized.
>
> How many drivers do you see with the issue above?

E.g for virtio-net, except for the ndo_open()/driver_ok races I
spotted another two.

> As compared to yours which has 16 patches just in your queue.
>
> > > With the current approach one has to *also* not do virtio_device_ready
> > > too early - and it's really tricky.
> >
> > Not sure how much we differ here, during the probe driver can just
> > place the virtio_device_ready() after the kick.
>
> Not so easy. For example, consider virtio net without your
> locking change. kick is part of a command vq operation
> which does not directly have anything to do with probe.
> Same for many other devices - once you register,
> linux can send commands immediately.
> Yes we can invent per device flags and locking rules to
> try and suppress commands until device_ready. I am not
> all that happy with this idea to be frank ...

Actuall, I meant we need to depend on the subsystem facilities to
handle this (e.g the rtnl_lock() ndo_XYZ) instead of inventing per
driver flags. I believe virtio is not the only driver that suffers
from those races.

>
>
> > >
> > > With the proposal I think that we don't need to fix all drivers and
> > > in my eyes that is a huge advantage because frankly I'm fine with
> > > more work on strict spec compliance taking more than expected
> > > but I would like the hardening work to finally be done.
> >
> > Ok, but what I meant is, with your proposal if a buggy drive kicks
> > before DRIVER_OK, it suppresses the effect of hardening?
>
> I don't see how. DRIVER_OK is for device's benefit, guest does not need
> it.
>
> > > I am not sure the amount of effort expended on the hardening here is
> > > proportionate to the benefit it provides.
> >
> > Probably, but we received those bug reports from the confidential
> > computing guys.
> >
> > Or can we choose to go another way, let the kconfig option enabled for
> > TDX/SEV, and then fix the bugs only if it is reported?
>
> Nah that's really fragmenting out userbase.

True.

>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > need to think about the reset path - it already synchronizes callbacks
> > > > > and already can lose interrupts so we just need to clear vq->kicked
> > > > > before that, right?
> > > >
> > > > Probably.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) seems require more work in the IRQ core and it can not work for all
> > > > > > transports (e.g vDPA would be kind of difficult)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm I don't really get why would it be difficult.
> > > > > VDPA is mostly PCI isn't it? With PCI both level INT#x and edge MSI
> > > > > have interrupt masking support.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but consider the case of mlx5_vdpa, PCI stuff was hidden under
> > > > the auxiliary bus. And that is the way another vendor will go.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > A bunch of callbacks will do it I guess.
> >
> > Possible but looks like a layer violation, I think auxiliary stuff
> > wants to hide the underlayer architecture. That is why I tend to do it
> > in the virtio core. And actually, transport is freed to implement
> > another layer of those synchronization if it wants.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> As usual a level of indirection will help with layering.

Probably.

Thanks

>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > Changes since V2:
> > > > > > > > > > - Tweak the Kconfig help
> > > > > > > > > > - Add comment for the read_lock() pairing in virtio_ccw
> > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > >  drivers/s390/virtio/virtio_ccw.c |  9 ++++++++-
> > > > > > > > > >  drivers/virtio/Kconfig           | 13 +++++++++++++
> > > > > > > > > >  drivers/virtio/virtio.c          |  2 ++
> > > > > > > > > >  drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c     | 12 ++++++++++++
> > > > > > > > > >  include/linux/virtio_config.h    |  2 ++
> > > > > > > > > >  5 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/s390/virtio/virtio_ccw.c b/drivers/s390/virtio/virtio_ccw.c
> > > > > > > > > > index 97e51c34e6cf..1f6a358f65f0 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/s390/virtio/virtio_ccw.c
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/s390/virtio/virtio_ccw.c
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -1136,8 +1136,13 @@ static void virtio_ccw_int_handler(struct ccw_device *cdev,
> > > > > > > > > >                       vcdev->err = -EIO;
> > > > > > > > > >       }
> > > > > > > > > >       virtio_ccw_check_activity(vcdev, activity);
> > > > > > > > > > -     /* Interrupts are disabled here */
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > > +     /*
> > > > > > > > > > +      * Paried with virtio_ccw_synchronize_cbs() and interrupts are
> > > > > > > > > > +      * disabled here.
> > > > > > > > > > +      */
> > > > > > > > > >       read_lock(&vcdev->irq_lock);
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >       for_each_set_bit(i, indicators(vcdev),
> > > > > > > > > >                        sizeof(*indicators(vcdev)) * BITS_PER_BYTE) {
> > > > > > > > > >               /* The bit clear must happen before the vring kick. */
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -1146,7 +1151,9 @@ static void virtio_ccw_int_handler(struct ccw_device *cdev,
> > > > > > > > > >               vq = virtio_ccw_vq_by_ind(vcdev, i);
> > > > > > > > > >               vring_interrupt(0, vq);
> > > > > > > > > >       }
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > >       read_unlock(&vcdev->irq_lock);
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >       if (test_bit(0, indicators2(vcdev))) {
> > > > > > > > > >               virtio_config_changed(&vcdev->vdev);
> > > > > > > > > >               clear_bit(0, indicators2(vcdev));
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/virtio/Kconfig b/drivers/virtio/Kconfig
> > > > > > > > > > index b5adf6abd241..c04f370a1e5c 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/virtio/Kconfig
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/virtio/Kconfig
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -35,6 +35,19 @@ menuconfig VIRTIO_MENU
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  if VIRTIO_MENU
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > +config VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > > +        bool "Harden virtio notification"
> > > > > > > > > > +        help
> > > > > > > > > > +          Enable this to harden the device notifications and suppress
> > > > > > > > > > +          those that happen at a time where notifications are illegal.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +          Experimental: Note that several drivers still have bugs that
> > > > > > > > > > +          may cause crashes or hangs when correct handling of
> > > > > > > > > > +          notifications is enforced; depending on the subset of
> > > > > > > > > > +          drivers and devices you use, this may or may not work.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +          If unsure, say N.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > >  config VIRTIO_PCI
> > > > > > > > > >       tristate "PCI driver for virtio devices"
> > > > > > > > > >       depends on PCI
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio.c
> > > > > > > > > > index ef04a96942bf..21dc08d2f32d 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio.c
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio.c
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -220,6 +220,7 @@ static int virtio_features_ok(struct virtio_device *dev)
> > > > > > > > > >   * */
> > > > > > > > > >  void virtio_reset_device(struct virtio_device *dev)
> > > > > > > > > >  {
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > >       /*
> > > > > > > > > >        * The below virtio_synchronize_cbs() guarantees that any
> > > > > > > > > >        * interrupt for this line arriving after
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -228,6 +229,7 @@ void virtio_reset_device(struct virtio_device *dev)
> > > > > > > > > >        */
> > > > > > > > > >       virtio_break_device(dev);
> > > > > > > > > >       virtio_synchronize_cbs(dev);
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >       dev->config->reset(dev);
> > > > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > > > > > > > > > index 13a7348cedff..d9d3b6e201fb 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -1688,7 +1688,11 @@ static struct virtqueue *vring_create_virtqueue_packed(
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->we_own_ring = true;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->notify = notify;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->weak_barriers = weak_barriers;
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->broken = true;
> > > > > > > > > > +#else
> > > > > > > > > > +     vq->broken = false;
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->last_used_idx = 0;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->event_triggered = false;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->num_added = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -2135,9 +2139,13 @@ irqreturn_t vring_interrupt(int irq, void *_vq)
> > > > > > > > > >       }
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >       if (unlikely(vq->broken)) {
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > >               dev_warn_once(&vq->vq.vdev->dev,
> > > > > > > > > >                             "virtio vring IRQ raised before DRIVER_OK");
> > > > > > > > > >               return IRQ_NONE;
> > > > > > > > > > +#else
> > > > > > > > > > +             return IRQ_HANDLED;
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >       }
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >       /* Just a hint for performance: so it's ok that this can be racy! */
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -2180,7 +2188,11 @@ struct virtqueue *__vring_new_virtqueue(unsigned int index,
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->we_own_ring = false;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->notify = notify;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->weak_barriers = weak_barriers;
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->broken = true;
> > > > > > > > > > +#else
> > > > > > > > > > +     vq->broken = false;
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->last_used_idx = 0;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->event_triggered = false;
> > > > > > > > > >       vq->num_added = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/include/linux/virtio_config.h b/include/linux/virtio_config.h
> > > > > > > > > > index 9a36051ceb76..d15c3cdda2d2 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/include/linux/virtio_config.h
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/include/linux/virtio_config.h
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -257,6 +257,7 @@ void virtio_device_ready(struct virtio_device *dev)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >       WARN_ON(status & VIRTIO_CONFIG_S_DRIVER_OK);
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_VIRTIO_HARDEN_NOTIFICATION
> > > > > > > > > >       /*
> > > > > > > > > >        * The virtio_synchronize_cbs() makes sure vring_interrupt()
> > > > > > > > > >        * will see the driver specific setup if it sees vq->broken
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -264,6 +265,7 @@ void virtio_device_ready(struct virtio_device *dev)
> > > > > > > > > >        */
> > > > > > > > > >       virtio_synchronize_cbs(dev);
> > > > > > > > > >       __virtio_unbreak_device(dev);
> > > > > > > > > > +#endif
> > > > > > > > > >       /*
> > > > > > > > > >        * The transport should ensure the visibility of vq->broken
> > > > > > > > > >        * before setting DRIVER_OK. See the comments for the transport
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > 2.25.1
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

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