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Date:   Fri, 8 Jul 2022 11:47:49 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
To:     Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Cc:     Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>,
        Paul Heidekrüger <paul.heidekrueger@...tum.de>,
        Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@...il.com>,
        Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
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        Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        Jade Alglave <j.alglave@....ac.uk>,
        Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@...ia.fr>,
        Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@...il.com>,
        Daniel Lustig <dlustig@...dia.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
        Charalampos Mainas <charalampos.mainas@...il.com>,
        Pramod Bhatotia <pramod.bhatotia@...tum.de>,
        Soham Chakraborty <s.s.chakraborty@...elft.nl>,
        Martin Fink <martin.fink@...tum.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] tools/memory-model: Clarify LKMM's limitations in
 litmus-tests.txt

On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 10:45:06AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 01:44:06PM +0200, Marco Elver wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 17:49, Paul Heidekrüger
> > <paul.heidekrueger@...tum.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > As discussed, clarify LKMM not recognizing certain kinds of orderings.
> > > In particular, highlight the fact that LKMM might deliberately make
> > > weaker guarantees than compilers and architectures.
> > >
> > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/YpoW1deb%2FQeeszO1@ethstick13.dse.in.tum.de/T/#u
> > > Signed-off-by: Paul Heidekrüger <paul.heidekrueger@...tum.de>
> > > Co-developed-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
> > 
> > Reviewed-by: Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
> > 
> > However with the Co-developed-by, this is missing Alan's SOB.
> 
> For the record:
> 
> Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
> 
> (Note that according to Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst, 
> the submitting author's SOB is supposed to come last.)

And this is what I ended up with.  Please provide additional feedback
as needed, and in the meantime, thank you all!

							Thanx, Paul

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commit 3c7753e959706f39e1ee183ef8dcde3b4cfbb4c7
Author: Paul Heidekrüger <paul.heidekrueger@...tum.de>
Date:   Tue Jun 14 15:48:11 2022 +0000

    tools/memory-model: Clarify LKMM's limitations in litmus-tests.txt
    
    As discussed, clarify LKMM not recognizing certain kinds of orderings.
    In particular, highlight the fact that LKMM might deliberately make
    weaker guarantees than compilers and architectures.
    
    Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/YpoW1deb%2FQeeszO1@ethstick13.dse.in.tum.de/T/#u
    Co-developed-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
    Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
    Signed-off-by: Paul Heidekrüger <paul.heidekrueger@...tum.de>
    Reviewed-by: Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
    Reviewed-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@...lfernandes.org>
    Cc: Charalampos Mainas <charalampos.mainas@...il.com>
    Cc: Pramod Bhatotia <pramod.bhatotia@...tum.de>
    Cc: Soham Chakraborty <s.s.chakraborty@...elft.nl>
    Cc: Martin Fink <martin.fink@...tum.de>
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...nel.org>

diff --git a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
index 8a9d5d2787f9e..cc355999815cb 100644
--- a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
+++ b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
@@ -946,22 +946,39 @@ Limitations of the Linux-kernel memory model (LKMM) include:
 	carrying a dependency, then the compiler can break that dependency
 	by substituting a constant of that value.
 
-	Conversely, LKMM sometimes doesn't recognize that a particular
-	optimization is not allowed, and as a result, thinks that a
-	dependency is not present (because the optimization would break it).
-	The memory model misses some pretty obvious control dependencies
-	because of this limitation.  A simple example is:
+	Conversely, LKMM will sometimes overestimate the amount of
+	reordering compilers and CPUs can carry out, leading it to miss
+	some pretty obvious cases of ordering.  A simple example is:
 
 		r1 = READ_ONCE(x);
 		if (r1 == 0)
 			smp_mb();
 		WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
 
-	There is a control dependency from the READ_ONCE to the WRITE_ONCE,
-	even when r1 is nonzero, but LKMM doesn't realize this and thinks
-	that the write may execute before the read if r1 != 0.  (Yes, that
-	doesn't make sense if you think about it, but the memory model's
-	intelligence is limited.)
+	The WRITE_ONCE() does not depend on the READ_ONCE(), and as a
+	result, LKMM does not claim ordering.  However, even though no
+	dependency is present, the WRITE_ONCE() will not be executed before
+	the READ_ONCE().  There are two reasons for this:
+
+                The presence of the smp_mb() in one of the branches
+                prevents the compiler from moving the WRITE_ONCE()
+                up before the "if" statement, since the compiler has
+                to assume that r1 will sometimes be 0 (but see the
+                comment below);
+
+                CPUs do not execute stores before po-earlier conditional
+                branches, even in cases where the store occurs after the
+                two arms of the branch have recombined.
+
+	It is clear that it is not dangerous in the slightest for LKMM to
+	make weaker guarantees than architectures.  In fact, it is
+	desirable, as it gives compilers room for making optimizations.  
+	For instance, suppose that a 0 value in r1 would trigger undefined
+	behavior elsewhere.  Then a clever compiler might deduce that r1
+	can never be 0 in the if condition.  As a result, said clever
+	compiler might deem it safe to optimize away the smp_mb(),
+	eliminating the branch and any ordering an architecture would
+	guarantee otherwise.
 
 2.	Multiple access sizes for a single variable are not supported,
 	and neither are misaligned or partially overlapping accesses.

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