linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory

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Date:   Thu, 21 Jul 2022 23:36:05 +0200
From:   "Gupta, Pankaj" <pankaj.gupta@....com>
To:     Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM
 guest private memory


>>>>>       * The current patch should just work, but prefer to have pre-boot guest
>>>>>         payload/firmware population into private memory for performance.
>>>>
>>>> Not just performance in the case of SEV, it's needed there because firmware
>>>> only supports in-place encryption of guest memory, there's no mechanism to
>>>> provide a separate buffer to load into guest memory at pre-boot time. I
>>>> think you're aware of this but wanted to point that out just in case.
>>>
>>> I view it as a performance problem because nothing stops KVM from copying from
>>> userspace into the private fd during the SEV ioctl().  What's missing is the
>>> ability for userspace to directly initialze the private fd, which may or may not
>>> avoid an extra memcpy() depending on how clever userspace is.
>> Can you please elaborate more what you see as a performance problem? And
>> possible ways to solve it?
> 
> Oh, I'm not saying there actually _is_ a performance problem.  What I'm saying is
> that in-place encryption is not a functional requirement, which means it's purely
> an optimization, and thus we should other bother supporting in-place encryption
> _if_ it would solve a performane bottleneck.

Understood. Thank you!

Best regards,
Pankaj