linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 05/14] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD

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Date:   Thu, 11 Aug 2022 21:17:38 +0800
From:   Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@...ux.intel.com>
To:     David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 05/14] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:55:19AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 10.08.22 11:37, Chao Peng wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 05, 2022 at 03:28:50PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> On 06.07.22 10:20, Chao Peng wrote:
> >>> Introduce a new memfd_create() flag indicating the content of the
> >>> created memfd is inaccessible from userspace through ordinary MMU
> >>> access (e.g., read/write/mmap). However, the file content can be
> >>> accessed via a different mechanism (e.g. KVM MMU) indirectly.
> >>>
> >>> It provides semantics required for KVM guest private memory support
> >>> that a file descriptor with this flag set is going to be used as the
> >>> source of guest memory in confidential computing environments such
> >>> as Intel TDX/AMD SEV but may not be accessible from host userspace.
> >>>
> >>> The flag can not coexist with MFD_ALLOW_SEALING, future sealing is
> >>> also impossible for a memfd created with this flag.
> >>
> >> It's kind of weird to have it that way. Why should the user have to
> >> care? It's the notifier requirement to have that, no?
> >>
> >> Why can't we handle that when register a notifier? If anything is
> >> already mapped, fail registering the notifier if the notifier has these
> >> demands. If registering succeeds, block it internally.
> >>
> >> Or what am I missing? We might not need the memfile set flag semantics
> >> eventually and would not have to expose such a flag to user space.
> > 
> > This makes sense if doable. The major concern was: is there a reliable
> > way to detect this (already mapped) at the time of memslot registering.
> 
> If too complicated, we could simplify to "was this ever mapped" and fail
> for now. Hooking into shmem_mmap() might be sufficient for that to get
> notified about the first mmap.
> 
> As an alternative, mapping_mapped() or similar *might* do what we want.

mapping_mapped() sounds the right one, I remember SEV people want first
map then unmap. "was this ever mapped" may not work for them.

Thanks,
Chao
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> 
> David / dhildenb