linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 resend 4/6] fs: Move call_rcu() to call_rcu

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Message-ID: <20220819182645.GQ2125313@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>
Date:   Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:26:45 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
To:     Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
Cc:     LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Rushikesh S Kadam <rushikesh.s.kadam@...el.com>,
        "Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)" <urezki@...il.com>,
        Neeraj upadhyay <neeraj.iitr10@...il.com>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@...nel.org>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>, rcu <rcu@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 resend 4/6] fs: Move call_rcu() to call_rcu_lazy() in
 some paths

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 02:17:32PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 2:14 PM Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org> wrote:
> [..]
> > >> Things are much better with the following change. However, this brings
> > >> me to a question about lock-contention based or any deferring and boot time.
> > >>
> > >> If you have a path like selinux doing a synchronize_rcu(), shouldn't we
> > >> skip the jiffie waiting for the bypass timer? Otherwise things
> > >> synchronously waiting will slow down more than usual. Maybe bypassing
> > >> should not be done for any case until boot up is done. I'm curious to
> > >> see if that improves boot time.
> > >
> > > Why not simply disable laziness at boot time and enable it only after
> > > booting is complete?  The exiting rcupdate.rcu_normal_after_boot kernel
> > > boot parameter uses a similar scheme.
> >
> > That sounds like the right thing to good, but unfortunately it wont help
> > this problem. The boot time issue happens after init has started. So the
> > OS is still "booting" even though the kernel has.
> >
> > Also the problem can happen after boot as well, like if RCU
> > lazy/non-lazy callbacks come back to back quickly, or so.
> >
> > But yes nonetheless, I can see the value of disabling it till the
> > in-kernel boot completets.
> 
> My mail client is acting weird. I meant to add to this, I wonder if
> there is a way other subsystems detect when userspace boots using some
> heuristic?

I don't know of one, but I bet that ChromeOS has ways.  If nothing else,
might you add a sysfs write to one of the boot-up phases?

							Thanx, Paul