linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 0/2] Stop the abuse of Linux-*

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Date:   Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:05:10 -0400
From:   Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>
To:     Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@...onical.com>
Cc:     Karol Herbst <kherbst@...hat.com>,
        Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org,
        rafael@...nel.org, Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>,
        nouveau@...ts.freedesktop.org, hdegoede@...hat.com,
        ddadap@...dia.com, Dell.Client.Kernel@...l.com,
        Aaron Ma <aaron.ma@...onical.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Stop the abuse of Linux-* _OSI strings

On Tue, 2022-08-23 at 11:47 +0800, Kai-Heng Feng wrote:
> [+Cc Aaron]
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 2022-08-19 at 17:44 +0200, Karol Herbst wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 4:25 PM Mario Limonciello
> > > <mario.limonciello@....com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 3 _OSI strings were introduced in recent years that were intended
> > > > to workaround very specific problems found on specific systems.
> > > > 
> > > > The idea was supposed to be that these quirks were only used on
> > > > those systems, but this proved to be a bad assumption.  I've found
> > > > at least one system in the wild where the vendor using the _OSI
> > > > string doesn't match the _OSI string and the neither does the use.
> > > > 
> > > > So this brings a good time to review keeping those strings in the kernel.
> > > > There are 3 strings that were introduced:
> > > > 
> > > > Linux-Dell-Video
> > > > -> Intended for systems with NVIDIA cards that didn't support RTD3
> > > > Linux-Lenovo-NV-HDMI-Audio
> > > > -> Intended for powering on NVIDIA HDMI device
> > > > Linux-HPI-Hybrid-Graphics
> > > > -> Intended for changing dGPU output
> > > > 
> > > > AFAIK the first string is no longer relevant as nouveau now supports
> > > > RTD3.  If that's wrong, this can be changed for the series.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Nouveau always supported RTD3, because that's mainly a kernel feature.
> > > When those were introduced we simply had a bug only hit on a few
> > > systems. And instead of helping us to debug this, this workaround was
> > > added :( We were not even asked about this.
> > > 
> > > I am a bit curious about the other two though as I am not even sure
> > > they are needed at all as we put other work arounds in place. @Lyude
> > > Paul might know more about these.
> > 
> > Some of the _OSI strings are totally fine. From my recollection:
> > 
> > [    0.242993] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-Lenovo-NV-HDMI-Audio)
> > ^ this one is needed to do a couple of ACPI tricks at startup to get the PCIe
> > device for audio on nvidia's GPU to be detected properly
> 
> This should be fixed by commit b516ea586d71 ("PCI: Enable NVIDIA HDA
> controllers").
> Aaron worked on more Lenovo systems than me, so he may be more sure of it.
> 
> > 
> > [    0.242993] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-HPI-Hybrid-Graphics)
> > 
> > I don't actually know how necessary this is, but I'm hesistant to call this
> > one bad as it may be related to the funny mux configurations that I'm learning
> > may exist on HP machines.
> 
> Should be fixed by commit 8e55f99c510f ("drm/i915: Invoke another _DSM
> to enable MUX on HP Workstation laptops").
> 
> And for "Linux-Dell-Video", it should be fixed by 5775b843a619 ("PCI:
> Restore config space on runtime resume despite being unbound").
> 
> So actually I am in favor of removing them all.

Woo! Thank you for the help with this :3. Since this all seems to be in order:

Reviewed-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>

> 
> Kai-Heng
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >  Lyude Paul (she/her)
> >  Software Engineer at Red Hat
> > 
> 

-- 
Cheers,
 Lyude Paul (she/her)
 Software Engineer at Red Hat