linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 00/14] Implement call_rcu

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Message-ID: <YxCejoKH8dGIeW22@pc636>
Date:   Thu, 1 Sep 2022 13:59:10 +0200
From:   Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com>
To:     Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@...nel.org>
Cc:     Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Rushikesh S Kadam <rushikesh.s.kadam@...el.com>,
        Neeraj upadhyay <neeraj.iitr10@...il.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        rcu <rcu@...r.kernel.org>,
        Vineeth Pillai <vineeth@...byteword.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/14] Implement call_rcu_lazy() and miscellaneous
 fixes

On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 01:29:47PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 06:44:51PM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > Hello, Frederic.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Although who knows, may be some periodic file operation while idle are specific
> > > to Android. I'll try to trace lazy callbacks while idle and the number of grace
> > > periods associated.
> > > 
> > > 
> > Everything related to lazy call-backs is about not waking "nocb"
> > kthreads in order to offload one or i should say few callbacks
> > because it is more or less useless. Currently if incoming callback
> > is the only one, it will kick a GP whereas a GP will kick nocb_kthread
> > to offload.
> 
> Not sure this is only about not waking "nocb" kthreads. The grace period
> kthread is also awaken in !NOCB and has quite some work to do. And there,
> having a server expands the issue because you may have a lot of CPUs's extended
> quiescent states to check.
> 
I mean here the following combination: NOCB + call_rcu_lazy() tandem.
The !NOCB is not about power save, IMHO. Because it implies callbacks
to be processed on CPUs they are landed.

In this scenario you can not let the EAS scheduler to find a more
efficient CPU for further handling.

>
> Also in !NOCB, pending callbacks retain the timer tick of a CPU (see
> rcu_needs_cpu()), and cpuidle relies on the tick to be stopped before
> allowing the CPU into low power mode. So a lazy callback may delay a CPU from
> entering into low power mode for a few milliseconds.
> 
> And I can observe those retained ticks on my idle box.
>
Maybe !NOCB is more about performance. But i have no clue about
workloads and if such workloads exist nowadays.

--
Uladzislau Rezki