linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] gpiolib: TODO: add an item about GPIO safe-state

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Message-ID: <CAMRc=McERgSkmpWv4k1eB1mtRU=jGhWiXYMdq72h9H9SYuF6Ng@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:25:21 +0200
From:   Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@...ev.pl>
To:     Kent Gibson <warthog618@...il.com>
Cc:     Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>,
        Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com>,
        Drew Fustini <dfustini@...libre.com>,
        Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@...il.com>,
        Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
        linux-gpio@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gpiolib: TODO: add an item about GPIO safe-state

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 6:21 PM Kent Gibson <warthog618@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 05:11:45PM +0200, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> > This adds a new TODO item for gpiolib and can also be used to start
> > a discussion about the need for it and implementation details.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@...ev.pl>
> > ---
> >  drivers/gpio/TODO | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 22 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/drivers/gpio/TODO b/drivers/gpio/TODO
> > index f87ff3fa8a53..6ab39c5cec9d 100644
> > --- a/drivers/gpio/TODO
> > +++ b/drivers/gpio/TODO
> > @@ -197,3 +197,25 @@ A small number of drivers have been converted (pl061, tegra186, msm,
> >  amd, apple), and can be used as examples of how to proceed with this
> >  conversion. Note that drivers using the generic irqchip framework
> >  cannot be converted yet, but watch this space!
> > +
> > +Safe-state of GPIOs
> > +
> > +During 2022 Linux Plumbers Conference's GPIO & pinctrl BOF it's been discussed
> > +that we don't have any middle ground between hogging GPIO lines and letting the
> > +user (either in-kernel or user-space) control them. Either the lines are forever
> > +reserved as hogs or their state is undefined unless requested.
> > +
> > +Currently the behavior of GPIOs that were not requested or were released is
> > +largely driver dependent (the provider driver decides whether the line's state
> > +is reverted to some predefined value or left as-is). This can be problematic
> > +as the output state of a line can damage physical hardware.
> > +
> > +This item is about proposing a solution, most likely in the form of a new device
> > +property called "safe-state" that would define the safe states of specific lines
> > +(e.g. output-high) but not block the line from being requested by users who
> > +could then modify that default state. Once released the GPIO core would then
> > +put the line back into the "safe-state".
> > +
>
> Geert suggests idle-state, rather than safe-state, but you call it
> the "default state" here as well - pick one.
>

idle-state it is then.

> So this idle-state would be another attribute on a line that the user
> could configure via the GPIO uAPI, and so replicate the "set and forget"
> sysfs behavior that we are currently missing, and which seems to be the
> biggest sticking point for a transition away from sysfs?
>

No, this should only be defined on the device tree or in ACPI. As the
HW policy of a device. I don't think we should allow user-space to
override this behavior.

> For backward compatibility the default idle-state, i.e. the value the
> idle-state would take if not explicitly set, would map to existing
> behaviour, so let the driver decide?
>
> What happens when gpiolib frees the line?  Isn't the driver still able
> to do what it likes to the line at that point, no matter what GPIO core
> has set it to previously? e.g. gpio_sim_free() restores the line to its
> own internal pull value.
>

This "idle-state" property wouldn't be mandatory and normally would
only be defined for a limited set of lines. I'd say we just override
whatever the driver does in free() (most drivers don't implement it
BTW) and do what the property says we should.

Bart