linux-kernel - Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

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Message-ID: <ce0b5780-a8cd-83fc-5b91-3acc574f426e@gmx.com>
Date:   Sun, 2 Oct 2022 19:27:18 +0000
From:   "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@....com>
To:     Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc:     Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@...mhuis.info>,
        Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@...uxfoundation.org>,
        workflows@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        "regressions@...ts.linux.dev" <regressions@...ts.linux.dev>,
        ksummit@...ts.linux.dev,
        Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
 blues"



On 10/2/22 14:35, Greg KH wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 12:49:04PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
>>> And if we force developers to get Bugzilla spam whether they want it
>>> not, and they said, "absolutely not", is it there right to have the
>>> mailing list gateway disabled --- and if so, what does that do to the
>>> user experience?  Thats basically the situation we have right now.
>>
>> As I've said many times already: bugzilla must be an opt-out, not opt-in
>> experience/option.
>>
>> Let's subscribe the past six months of developers using git commits and
>> if someone doesn't like getting emails they go to the website and
>> unsubscribe _once_ which takes a minute. This is a non-issue I've no
>> clue why we're dwelling on it.
>
> auto-subscribing people to anything is a sure way to get lots of people
> instantly mad at you and have them add the address to their filters.
>
> That's just not how to do things well, sorry.
>
> If you wish to be the one triaging all bugzilla bugs, wonderful, please
> start doing so.  But to volunteer others and insist that they do it is a
> non-starter for obvious reasons.

It's so weird to read this I'm just dumbfounded.

People won't even receive emails if they are simply on bugzilla. It's
only if they get CC'ed to certain bug reports they'll receive them.

And they can unsubcribe literally after getting a single email. Can
anyone even get mad because of this? To me it feels like someone
sees/creates a drama where there's none.

If you're doing kernel development it's obvious that your email address
has been revealed and people are expected to deal with it.

I receive emails about Linux from random people I don't know and it's
never freaked me out. We are talking about service emails (not spam, not
automatic subscription) about their _work_.

Regards,
Artem