linux-kernel - Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

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Message-ID: <20221002214054.GB22532@1wt.eu>
Date:   Sun, 2 Oct 2022 23:40:54 +0200
From:   Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
To:     "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@....com>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
        Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@...mhuis.info>,
        Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@...uxfoundation.org>,
        workflows@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "regressions@...ts.linux.dev" <regressions@...ts.linux.dev>,
        ksummit@...ts.linux.dev,
        Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
 blues"

On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 09:27:40PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
> > Which is why in the general case, you really should consider email to
> > be the "lingua franca" of kernel development communication.  It
> > doesn't have the fundamental limitations and management issues that
> > bugzilla has. If you want to add more people to the Cc in an email,
> > you just do it.
> 
> Attention, Linus, the problem is attention.
> 
> Once something is filed in bugzilla, it's public, it's easily
> accessible, it can easily be found, you can easily add new info.
> 
> Emails? You've flown to Japan to a conference for a week and you have
> much better things than to check any email updates. A week worth of
> emails have suddenly become worthless.

Serious ? Have you ever attended a conference and looked over the
shoulder of the person in front of you ? There are 3 types of interfaces
you see:
  - code
  - slides
  - mails

The last thing people will look at during a conference definitely is a
painfully depressive bugtracker interface. However they will see bug
reports in their mailbox as they happen to read emails from their boss
or customers.

> Here's yet another issue, how would you send a follow up if you don't
> know the reference ("References" email field)? Instead of a follow up
> it'll end up being a new unrelated email.

You don't have such a problem with email. It only happens when you try
to respond via e-mail to stuff you find in a browser.

Willy