linux-kernel - Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

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Message-ID: <9f943dfb-66d7-396e-eb99-b6cd30647a7a@gmx.com>
Date:   Sun, 2 Oct 2022 21:57:58 +0000
From:   "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@....com>
To:     Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@...mhuis.info>,
        Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@...uxfoundation.org>,
        workflows@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "regressions@...ts.linux.dev" <regressions@...ts.linux.dev>,
        ksummit@...ts.linux.dev,
        Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
 blues"



On 10/2/22 21:40, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 09:27:40PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
>>> Which is why in the general case, you really should consider email to
>>> be the "lingua franca" of kernel development communication.  It
>>> doesn't have the fundamental limitations and management issues that
>>> bugzilla has. If you want to add more people to the Cc in an email,
>>> you just do it.
>>
>> Attention, Linus, the problem is attention.
>>
>> Once something is filed in bugzilla, it's public, it's easily
>> accessible, it can easily be found, you can easily add new info.
>>
>> Emails? You've flown to Japan to a conference for a week and you have
>> much better things than to check any email updates. A week worth of
>> emails have suddenly become worthless.
>
> Serious ? Have you ever attended a conference and looked over the
> shoulder of the person in front of you ? There are 3 types of interfaces
> you see:
>    - code
>    - slides
>    - mails
>
> The last thing people will look at during a conference definitely is a
> painfully depressive bugtracker interface. However they will see bug
> reports in their mailbox as they happen to read emails from their boss
> or customers.

I meant people who are at conferences or on vacation normally stop
working with their work related mailing lists. I vividly remember Linus
mailing something like this, "I've flown somewhere, I won't have
[stable] Internet, please postpone this and that". At least a couple of
times.

>
>> Here's yet another issue, how would you send a follow up if you don't
>> know the reference ("References" email field)? Instead of a follow up
>> it'll end up being a new unrelated email.
>
> You don't have such a problem with email. It only happens when you try
> to respond via e-mail to stuff you find in a browser.

That implies you've been subscribed to the mailing list earlier. Will
not work for the vast majority of people.

Regards,
Artem