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Message-ID: <Y0HuxsLysThhsaTl@yury-laptop>
Date:   Sat, 8 Oct 2022 14:42:30 -0700
From:   Yury Norov <yury.norov@...il.com>
To:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/7] treewide cleanup of random integer usage

On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 11:53:52PM -0600, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Changes v4->v5:
> - Coccinelle is now used for as much mechanical aspects as possible,
>   with mechanical parts split off from non-mechanical parts. This should
>   drastically reduce the amount of code that needs to be reviewed
>   carefully. Each commit mentions now if it was done by hand or is
>   mechanical.
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> This is a five part treewide cleanup of random integer handling. The
> rules for random integers are:
> 
> - If you want a secure or an insecure random u64, use get_random_u64().
> - If you want a secure or an insecure random u32, use get_random_u32().
>   * The old function prandom_u32() has been deprecated for a while now
>     and is just a wrapper around get_random_u32(). Same for
>     get_random_int().
> - If you want a secure or an insecure random u16, use get_random_u16().
> - If you want a secure or an insecure random u8, use get_random_u8().
> - If you want secure or insecure random bytes, use get_random_bytes().
>   * The old function prandom_bytes() has been deprecated for a while now
>     and has long been a wrapper around get_random_bytes().
> - If you want a non-uniform random u32, u16, or u8 bounded by a certain
>   open interval maximum, use prandom_u32_max().
>   * I say "non-uniform", because it doesn't do any rejection sampling or
>     divisions. Hence, it stays within the prandom_* namespace.
> 
> These rules ought to be applied uniformly, so that we can clean up the
> deprecated functions, and earn the benefits of using the modern
> functions. In particular, in addition to the boring substitutions, this
> patchset accomplishes a few nice effects:
> 
> - By using prandom_u32_max() with an upper-bound that the compiler can
>   prove at compile-time is ≤65536 or ≤256, internally get_random_u16()
>   or get_random_u8() is used, which wastes fewer batched random bytes,
>   and hence has higher throughput.
> 
> - By using prandom_u32_max() instead of %, when the upper-bound is not a
>   constant, division is still avoided, because prandom_u32_max() uses
>   a faster multiplication-based trick instead.
> 
> - By using get_random_u16() or get_random_u8() in cases where the return
>   value is intended to indeed be a u16 or a u8, we waste fewer batched
>   random bytes, and hence have higher throughput.
> 
> So, based on those rules and benefits from following them, this patchset
> breaks down into the following five steps:
> 
> 1) Replace `prandom_u32() % max` and variants thereof with
>    prandom_u32_max(max).
> 
>    * Part 1 is done with Coccinelle. Part 2 is done by hand.
> 
> 2) Replace `(type)get_random_u32()` and variants thereof with
>    get_random_u16() or get_random_u8(). I took the pains to actually
>    look and see what every lvalue type was across the entire tree.
> 
>    * Part 1 is done with Coccinelle. Part 2 is done by hand.
> 
> 3) Replace remaining deprecated uses of prandom_u32() and
>    get_random_int() with get_random_u32(). 
> 
>    * A boring search and replace operation.
> 
> 4) Replace remaining deprecated uses of prandom_bytes() with
>    get_random_bytes().
> 
>    * A boring search and replace operation.
> 
> 5) Remove the deprecated and now-unused prandom_u32() and
>    prandom_bytes() inline wrapper functions.
> 
>    * Just deleting code and updating comments.
> 
> I was thinking of taking this through my random.git tree (on which this
> series is currently based) and submitting it near the end of the merge
> window, or waiting for the very end of the 6.1 cycle when there will be
> the fewest new patches brewing. If somebody with some treewide-cleanup
> experience might share some wisdom about what the best timing usually
> winds up being, I'm all ears.
> 
> Please take a look! The number of lines touched is quite small, so this
> should be reviewable, and as much as is possible has been pushed into
> Coccinelle scripts.

For the series:
Reviewed-by: Yury Norov <yury.norov@...il.com>

Although, looking at it, I have a feeling that kernel needs to drop all
fixed-size random APIs like get_random_uXX() or get_random_int(), because
people will continue using the 'get_random_int() % num' carelessly.

Thanks,
Yury

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