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Date:   Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:36:52 +0530
From:   Krishna Chaitanya Chundru <quic_krichai@...cinc.com>
To:     Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/5] PCI: qcom: Add system suspend and resume support


On 10/6/2022 2:43 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 05:40:21PM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
>> On 9/30/2022 12:23 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 09:00:11PM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
>>>> On 9/23/2022 7:56 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 07:29:31AM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/23/2022 12:12 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 09:09:28PM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2022 10:26 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 03:23:35PM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/20/2022 11:46 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 03:52:23PM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In qcom platform PCIe resources( clocks, phy
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..) can released when the link is in L1ss to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the power consumption. So if the link is
>>>>>>>>>>>> in L1ss, release the PCIe resources. And when
>>>>>>>>>>>> the system resumes, enable the PCIe resources if
>>>>>>>>>>>> they released in the suspend path.
>>>>>>>>>>> What's the connection with L1.x?  Links enter L1.x
>>>>>>>>>>> based on activity and timing.  That doesn't seem
>>>>>>>>>>> like a reliable indicator to turn PHYs off and
>>>>>>>>>>> disable clocks.
>>>>>>>>>> This is a Qcom PHY-specific feature (retaining the
>>>>>>>>>> link state in L1.x with clocks turned off).  It is
>>>>>>>>>> possible only with the link being in l1.x. PHY can't
>>>>>>>>>> retain the link state in L0 with the clocks turned
>>>>>>>>>> off and we need to re-train the link if it's in L2
>>>>>>>>>> or L3. So we can support this feature only with
>>>>>>>>>> L1.x.  That is the reason we are taking l1.x as the
>>>>>>>>>> trigger to turn off clocks (in only suspend path).
>>>>>>>>> This doesn't address my question.  L1.x is an ASPM
>>>>>>>>> feature, which means hardware may enter or leave L1.x
>>>>>>>>> autonomously at any time without software
>>>>>>>>> intervention.  Therefore, I don't think reading the
>>>>>>>>> current state is a reliable way to decide anything.
>>>>>>>> After the link enters the L1.x it will come out only if
>>>>>>>> there is some activity on the link.  As system is
>>>>>>>> suspended and NVMe driver is also suspended (queues
>>>>>>>> will freeze in suspend) who else can initiate any data.
>>>>>>> I don't think we can assume that nothing will happen to
>>>>>>> cause exit from L1.x.  For instance, PCIe Messages for
>>>>>>> INTx signaling, LTR, OBFF, PTM, etc., may be sent even
>>>>>>> though we think the device is idle and there should be no
>>>>>>> link activity.
>>>>>> I don't think after the link enters into L1.x there will
>>>>>> some activity on the link as you mentioned, except for PCIe
>>>>>> messages like INTx/MSI/MSIX. These messages also will not
>>>>>> come because the client drivers like NVMe will keep their
>>>>>> device in the lowest power mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The link will come out of L1.x only when there is config or
>>>>>> memory access or some messages to trigger the interrupts
>>>>>> from the devices.  We are already making sure this access
>>>>>> will not be there in S3.  If the link is in L0 or L0s what
>>>>>> you said is expected but not in L1.x
>>>>> Forgive me for being skeptical, but we just spent a few months
>>>>> untangling the fact that some switches send PTM request
>>>>> messages even when they're in a non-D0 state.  We expected
>>>>> that devices in D3hot would not send such messages because
>>>>> "why would they?"  But it turns out the spec allows that, and
>>>>> they actually *do*.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's robust interoperable design for a PCI
>>>>> controller driver like qcom to assume anything about PCI
>>>>> devices unless it's required by the spec.
>>>>   From pci spec 4, in sec 5.5 "Ports that support L1 PM Substates
>>>>   must not require a reference clock while in L1 PM Substates
>>>>   other than L1.0".  If there is no reference clk we can say
>>>>   there is no activity on the link.  If anything needs to be sent
>>>>   (such as LTR, or some messages ), the link needs to be back in
>>>>   L0 before it sends the packet to the link partner.
>>>>
>>>> To exit from L1.x clkreq pin should be asserted.
>>>>
>>>> In suspend after turning off clocks and phy we can enable to
>>>> trigger an interrupt whenever the clk req pin asserts.  In that
>>>> interrupt handler, we can enable the pcie resources back.
>>>  From the point of view of the endpoint driver, ASPM should be
>>> invisible -- no software intervention required.  I think you're
>>> suggesting that the PCIe controller driver could help exit L1.x by
>>> handling a clk req interrupt and enabling clock and PHY then.
>>>
>>> But doesn't L1.x exit also have to happen within the time the
>>> endpoint can tolerate?  E.g., I think L1.2 exit has to happen
>>> within the LTR time advertised by the endpoint (PCIe r6.0, sec
>>> 5.5.5).  How can we guarantee that if software is involved?
>> It is true that it is difficult to guarantee those delays. On our
>> internal boards, we are able to achieve this but that is not with
>> linux kernel.
>>
>> With NVMe attach we have connected the protocol analyzer and tried
>> to see if there are any transactions over the link. We found there
>> are no transactions on the link once the link enters L1.x till we
>> resume the system. As the NVMe is a passive system it is not
>> initiating any transactions.
>>
>> This whole requirement came from the NVMe driver, it requires
>> keeping the link active state when the system is suspended.
>>
>> There are only two things we can in do in PCIe suspend as we have to
>> turn off PCIe clocks to allow the system to the lowest possible
>> power state.
>>
>> 1) Keep the device in D3 cold and turn off all the clocks and phy
>> etc. (It is not an ideal one as this decreases the NVMe lifetime
>> because link-down and link-up is treated as a power cycle by a few
>> NVMe devices).
>>
>> 2) This is the one we are proposing where we turn off the clocks,
>> phy once the link enters L1ss.
> It sounds like both options turn off the clocks and PHY.  But
> apparently they do not look the same to the NVMe endpoint?  I guess
> NVMe is in D3cold for 1), but it's in D0 for 2), right?
>
>> Can you please suggest us any other possible solutions to meet NVMe
>> requirement (That is to keep the link active during suspend) and the
>> Qcom platform requirement (that is to turn off all the clocks to
>> allow a lower possible power state)? Qcom PCIe controller is
>> compatible with v3.1 specification only.
> The PCIe spec clearly envisions Refclk being turned off
> (sec 5.5.3.3.1) and PHYs being powered off (sec 5.5.3.2) while in
> L1.2.
>
> I've been assuming L1.2 exit (which includes Refclk being turned on
> and PHYs being powered up) is completely handled by hardware, but it
> sounds like the Qcom controller needs software assistance which fields
> an interrupt when CLKREQ# is asserted and turns on Refclk and the
> PHYs?
>
> 5.5.3 does say "All Link and PHY state must be maintained during L1.2,
> or must be restored upon exit using implementation specific means",
> and maybe Qcom counts as using implementation specific means.
>
> I *am* concerned about whether software can do the L1.2 exit fast
> enough, but the biggest reason I'm struggling with this is because
> using the syscore framework to work around IRQ affinity changes that
> happen late in suspend just seems kind of kludgy and it doesn't seem
> like it fits cleanly in the power management model.
>
> Bjorn

Bjorn,

Can you please suggest any another way to work around IRQ affinity changes.

Thanks & Regards,

Krishna Chaitanya.

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