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Date:   Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:10:28 -0700
From:   Nathan Chancellor <nathan@...nel.org>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
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        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
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        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 48/59] x86/retbleed: Add SKL return thunk

Hi Peter and Thomas,

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 01:11:27PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
> 
> To address the Intel SKL RSB underflow issue in software it's required to
> do call depth tracking.
> 
> Provide a return thunk for call depth tracking on Intel SKL CPUs.
> 
> The tracking does not use a counter. It uses uses arithmetic shift
> right on call entry and logical shift left on return.
> 
> The depth tracking variable is initialized to 0x8000.... when the call
> depth is zero. The arithmetic shift right sign extends the MSB and
> saturates after the 12th call. The shift count is 5 so the tracking covers
> 12 nested calls. On return the variable is shifted left logically so it
> becomes zero again.
> 
>  CALL	 	   	RET
>  0: 0x8000000000000000	0x0000000000000000
>  1: 0xfc00000000000000	0xf000000000000000
> ...
> 11: 0xfffffffffffffff8	0xfffffffffffffc00
> 12: 0xffffffffffffffff	0xffffffffffffffe0
> 
> After a return buffer fill the depth is credited 12 calls before the next
> stuffing has to take place.
> 
> There is a inaccuracy for situations like this:
> 
>    10 calls
>     5 returns
>     3 calls
>     4 returns
>     3 calls
>     ....
> 
> The shift count might cause this to be off by one in either direction, but
> there is still a cushion vs. the RSB depth. The algorithm does not claim to
> be perfect, but it should obfuscate the problem enough to make exploitation
> extremly difficult.
> 
> The theory behind this is:
> 
> RSB is a stack with depth 16 which is filled on every call. On the return
> path speculation "pops" entries to speculate down the call chain. Once the
> speculative RSB is empty it switches to other predictors, e.g. the Branch
> History Buffer, which can be mistrained by user space and misguide the
> speculation path to a gadget.
> 
> Call depth tracking is designed to break this speculation path by stuffing
> speculation trap calls into the RSB which are never getting a corresponding
> return executed. This stalls the prediction path until it gets resteered,
> 
> The assumption is that stuffing at the 12th return is sufficient to break
> the speculation before it hits the underflow and the fallback to the other
> predictors. Testing confirms that it works. Johannes, one of the retbleed
> researchers. tried to attack this approach but failed.
> 
> There is obviously no scientific proof that this will withstand future
> research progress, but all we can do right now is to speculate about it.
> 
> The SAR/SHL usage was suggested by Andi Kleen.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
> Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@...radead.org>

This commit is now in -next as commit 5d8213864ade ("x86/retbleed: Add
SKL return thunk"). I just bisected an immediate reboot on my AMD test
system when starting a virtual machine with QEMU + KVM to it (see the
bisect log below). My Intel test systems do not show this.
Unfortunately, I do not have much more information, as there are no logs
in journalctl, which makes sense as the reboot occurs immediately after
I hit the enter key for the QEMU command.

If there is any further information I can provide or patches I can test
for further debugging, I am more than happy to do so.

Cheers,
Nathan

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