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Date:   Thu, 20 Oct 2022 12:39:08 +0200
From:   Peter Newman <peternewman@...gle.com>
To:     James Morse <james.morse@....com>
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        Babu Moger <Babu.Moger@....com>,
        Gaurang Upasani <gupasani@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFD] resctrl: reassigning a running container's CTRL_MON group

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 3:58 PM James Morse <james.morse@....com> wrote:
> This isn't how MPAM is designed to be used. You'll hit nasty corners.
> The big one is the Cache Storage Utilisation counters.
>
> See 11.5.2 of the MPAM spec, "MSMON_CFG_CSU_CTL, MPAM Memory System Monitor Configure
> Cache Storage Usage Monitor Control Register". Not setting the MATCH_PARTID bit has this
> warning:
> | If MATCH_PMG is 1 and MATCH_PARTID is 0, it is CONSTRAINED UNPREDICTABLE whether the
> | monitor instance:
> | • Measures the storage used with matching PMG and with any PARTID.
> | • Measures no storage usage, that is, MSMON_CSU.VALUE is zero.
> | • Measures the storage used with matching PMG and PARTID, that is, treats
> | MATCH_PARTID as = 1
>
> 'constrained unpredictable' is arm's term for "portable software can't rely on this".
> The folk that designed MPAM don't believe "monitors would only match on PMGs" makes any
> sense. A PMG is not an RMID. A case in point is the system with only 1 PMG bit.
>
> I'm afraid this approach would preclude support for the llc_occupancy counter, and would
> artificially reduce the number of control groups that can be created as each control group
> needs an 'RMID'. On the machine with 1 PMG bit - you get 2 control groups, even though it
> has many more PARTID.

The first sentence of the Resource Monitoring chapter is also quite an
obstacle to my challenging to the PARTID-PMG hierarchy:

| Software environments may be labeled as belonging to a Performance
| Monitoring Group (PMG) within a partition.

It seems like the only real issue is that the user is responsible for
figuring out how best to make use of the available resources. But I seem
to recall that was the expectation with resctrl, so I should probably
stop trying to argue for expecting MPAM configurations which resemble
RDT.


> On 17/10/2022 11:15, Peter Newman wrote:
> > Provided that there are sufficient monitor
> > instances, there would never be any need to reprogram a monitor's
> > PMG.
>
> It sounds like this moves the problem to "make everything a monitor group because only
> monitor groups can be batch moved".
>
> If the tasks file could be moved between control and monitor groups, causing resctrl to
> relabel the tasks - would that solve more of the problem? (it eliminates the need to make
> everything a monitor group)

This was about preserving the RMID and memory bandwidth counts across a
CLOSID change. If the user is forced to conserve CTRL_MON groups due to
a limited number of CLOSIDs, keeping the various containers' tasks
separate is also a concern.

But if there's no need to conserve CTRL_MON groups, then there's no real
issue.

> The devil is in the detail, I'm not sure how it serialises with a fork()ing process, I'd
> hope to do better than relying on the kernel walking the list of processes a lot quicker
> than user-space can.

I wasn't planning to do it any more optimally than the rmdir
implementation today when looking for all tasks impacted by a
CLOSID/RMID deletion.

-Peter

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