linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RFC 16/19] mm/frame-vector: remove FOLL

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Message-ID: <040542e7-7d1c-4f25-b1ed-459f3c165283@redhat.com>
Date:   Tue, 8 Nov 2022 10:40:23 +0100
From:   David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To:     Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org>,
        Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl>,
        Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 16/19] mm/frame-vector: remove FOLL_FORCE usage

On 08.11.22 05:45, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> Hi David,

Hi Tomasz,

thanks for looking into this!

> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:19 AM David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com> wrote:
>>
>> FOLL_FORCE is really only for debugger access. According to commit
>> 707947247e95 ("media: videobuf2-vmalloc: get_userptr: buffers are always
>> writable"), the pinned pages are always writable.
> 

As reference, the cover letter of the series:

https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20221107161740.144456-1-david@redhat.com

> Actually that patch is only a workaround to temporarily disable
> support for read-only pages as they seemed to suffer from some
> corruption issues in the retrieved user pages. We expect to support
> read-only pages as hardware input after. That said, FOLL_FORCE doesn't
> sound like the right thing even in that case, but I don't know the
> background behind it being added here in the first place. +Hans
> Verkuil +Marek Szyprowski do you happen to remember anything about it?

Maybe I mis-interpreted 707947247e95; re-reading it again, I am not 
quite sure what the actual problem is and how it relates to GUP 
FOLL_WRITE handling. FOLL_FORCE already was in place before 707947247e95 
and should be removed.

What I understood is "Just always call vb2_create_framevec() with 
FOLL_WRITE to always allow writing to the buffers.".


If the pinned page is never written to via the obtained GUP reference:
* FOLL_WRITE should not be set
* FOLL_FORCE should not be set
* We should not dirty the page when unpinning

If the pinned page may be written to via the obtained GUP reference:
* FOLL_WRITE should be set
* FOLL_FORCE should not be set
* We should dirty the page when unpinning


If the function is called for both, we should think about doing it 
conditional based on a "write" variable, like pre-707947247e95 did.

@Hans, any insight?

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb