linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/11] net: pcs: Add support for devices probed in the "usual" manner

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Message-ID: <bcb87445-d80d-fea0-82f2-a15b20baaf06@seco.com>
Date:   Thu, 10 Nov 2022 09:55:32 -0500
From:   Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@...o.com>
To:     Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>
Cc:     Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>,
        Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@....com>,
        Madalin Bucur <madalin.bucur@....com>,
        "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@...tlin.com>,
        Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
        Claudiu Manoil <claudiu.manoil@....com>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        Frank Rowand <frowand.list@...il.com>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@...aro.org>,
        Li Yang <leoyang.li@....com>,
        Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
        Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Saravana Kannan <saravanak@...gle.com>,
        Shawn Guo <shawnguo@...nel.org>, UNGLinuxDriver@...rochip.com,
        Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@...il.com>,
        Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@....com>,
        devicetree@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/11] net: pcs: Add support for devices
 probed in the "usual" manner

On 11/9/22 17:41, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 05:06:39PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
>> Several (later) patches in this series cannot be applied until a stable
>> release has occured containing the dts updates.
> 
> New kernels must remain compatible with old device trees.

Well, this binding is not present in older device trees, so it needs to
be added before these patches can be applied. It also could be possible
to manually bind the driver using e.g. a helper function (like what is
done with lynx_pcs_create_on_bus). Of course this would be tricky,
because we would need to unbind any generic phy driver attached, but
avoid unbinding an existing Lynx PCS driver.

As I understand it, kernels must be compatible with device trees from a
few kernels before and after. There is not a permanent guarantee of
backwards compatibility (like userspace has) because otherwise we would
never be able to make internal changes (such as what is done in this
series). I have suggested deferring these patches until after an LTS
release as suggested by Rob last time [1].

--Sean

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20220718194444.GA3377770-robh@kernel.org/