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Date:   Fri, 18 Nov 2022 14:16:17 +0100
From:   "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
To:     Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>
Cc:     "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>,
        "Limonciello, Mario" <mario.limonciello@....com>,
        Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>,
        Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@...gle.com>,
        Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com>,
        Mehta Sanju <Sanju.Mehta@....com>,
        Lukas Wunner <lukas@...ner.de>,
        "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
        linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org, linux-pci@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] PCI/ACPI: PCI/ACPI: Validate devices with power
 resources support D3

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:16 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 06:01:26PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 12:28 AM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 1:37 AM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 04:33:52PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:42 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 12:58:28PM -0600, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 11/11/2022 11:41, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 05:33:55PM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Firmware typically advertises that ACPI devices that represent PCIe
> > > > > > > > > > devices can support D3 by a combination of the value returned by
> > > > > > > > > > _S0W as well as the HotPlugSupportInD3 _DSD [1].
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > `acpi_pci_bridge_d3` looks for this combination but also contains
> > > > > > > > > > an assumption that if an ACPI device contains power resources the PCIe
> > > > > > > > > > device it's associated with can support D3.  This was introduced
> > > > > > > > > > from commit c6e331312ebf ("PCI/ACPI: Whitelist hotplug ports for
> > > > > > > > > > D3 if power managed by ACPI").
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some firmware configurations for "AMD Pink Sardine" do not support
> > > > > > > > > > wake from D3 in _S0W for the ACPI device representing the PCIe root
> > > > > > > > > > port used for tunneling. The PCIe device will still be opted into
> > > > > > > > > > runtime PM in the kernel [2] because of the logic within
> > > > > > > > > > `acpi_pci_bridge_d3`. This currently happens because the ACPI
> > > > > > > > > > device contains power resources.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wait.  Is this as simple as just recognizing that:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   _PS0 means the OS has a knob to put the device in D0, but it doesn't
> > > > > > >   mean the device can wake itself from a low-power state.  The OS has
> > > > > > >   to use _S0W to learn the device's ability to wake itself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm confused again about what "HotPlugSupportInD3" means.  The MS
> > > > > web page [1] says it identifies Root Ports capable of handling hot
> > > > > plug events while in D3.  That sounds kind of related to _S0W: If _S0W
> > > > > says "I can wake myself from D3hot and D3cold", how is that different
> > > > > from "I can handle hotplug events in D3"?
> > > >
> > > > For native PME/hot-plug signaling there is no difference.  This is the
> > > > same interrupt by the spec after all IIRC.
> > > >
> > > > For GPE-based signaling, though, there is a difference, because GPEs
> > > > can only be used directly for wake signaling (this is related to
> > > > _PRW).  In particular, the only provision in the ACPI spec for device
> > > > hot-add are the Bus Check and Device Check notification values (0 and
> > > > 1) which require AML to run and evaluate Notify() on specific AML
> > > > objects.
> > > >
> > > > Hence, there is no spec-defined way to tell the OS that "something can
> > > > be hot-added under this device while in D3 and you will get notified
> > > > about that".
> > >
> > > So I guess acpi_pci_bridge_d3() looks for:
> > >
> > >   - "wake signaling while in D3" (_S0W) and
> > >   - "notification of hotplug while in D3" ("HotPlugSupportInD3")
> > >
> > > For Root Ports with both those abilities (or bridges below such Root
> > > Ports), we allow D3, and this patch doesn't change that.
> > >
> > > What this patch *does* change is that all bridges with _PS0 or _PR0
> > > previously could use D3, but now will only be able to use D3 if they
> > > are also (or are below) a Root Port that can signal wakeup
> > > (wakeup.flags.valid) and can wakeup from D3hot or D3cold (_S0W).
> > >
> > > And this fixes the Pink Sardine because it has Root Ports that do
> > > Thunderbolt tunneling, and they have _PS0 or _PR0 but their _S0W says
> > > they cannot wake from D3.  Previously we put those in D3, but they
> > > couldn't wake up.  Now we won't put them in D3.
> > >
> > > I guess there's a possibility that this could break or cause higher
> > > power consumption on systems that were fixed by c6e331312ebf
> > > ("PCI/ACPI: Whitelist hotplug ports for D3 if power managed by ACPI").
> > > I don't know enough about that scenario.  Maybe Lukas will chime in.
> >
> > Well, it is possible that some of these systems will be affected.
> >
> > One of such cases is when the port in question has _S0W which says
> > that wakeup from D3 is not supported.  In that case I think the kernel
> > should honor the _S0W input, because there may be a good reason known
> > to the platform integrator for it.
> >
> > The other case is when wakeup.flags.valid is unset for the port's ACPI
> > companion which means that the port cannot signal wakeup through
> > ACPI-related means at all and this may be problematic, especially in
> > the system-wide suspend case in which the wakeup capability is not too
> > relevant unless there is a system wakeup device under the port.
> >
> > I don't think that the adev->wakeup.flags.valid check has any bearing
> > on the _S0W check - if there is _S0W and it says "no wakeup from D3",
> > it should still be taken into account - so that check can be moved
> > past the _S0W check.
>
> So if _S0W says it can wake from D3, but wakeup.flags is not valid,
> it's still OK to use D3?

No, it isn't, as per the code today and I don't think that this
particular part should be changed now.

_S0W may only cause acpi_pci_bridge_d3() to return false, it is not
sufficient for true to be returned.

> I guess in this case we assume wakeup would
> be via native PME/hotplug signaling?

This may be taken into consideration at one point, if need be, but not
in this particular patch IMO.

> > Now, for compatibility with systems where ports have neither _S0W nor
> > the HotPlugSupportInD3 property, the acpi_pci_power_manageable()
> > return value should determine the outcome regardless of the
> > adev->wakeup.flags.valid value, so the latter should only determine
> > whether or not the HotPlugSupportInD3 property will be inspected
> > (which may cause true to be returned before the "power manageable"
> > check).
> >
> > IOW, something like this (after checking _S0W):
> >
> > if (adev->wakeup.flags.valid &&
> >     !acpi_dev_get_property(adev, "HotPlugSupportInD3",
> > ACPI_TYPE_INTEGER, &obj) &&
> >     obj->integer.value == 1)
> >         return true;
> >
> > return acpi_pci_power_manageable(dev);
> >
> > Where the if () condition basically means that wakeup signaling is
> > supported (and there is no indication that it cannot be done from D3
> > as per the previous _S0W check) and hotplug signaling from D3 is
> > supported.
> >
> > > > > This patch says that if dev's Root Port has "HotPlugSupportInD3", we
> > > > > don't need _PS0 or _PR0 for dev.  I guess that must be true, because
> > > > > previously the fact that we checked for "HotPlugSupportInD3" meant the
> > > > > device did NOT have _PS0 or _PR0.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/pci/dsd-for-pcie-root-ports#identifying-pcie-root-ports-supporting-hot-plug-in-d3
>
> I think you're suggesting the patch below, which will make
> acpi_pci_bridge_d3(dev) return "true" if:
>
>   - Root Port can wake from D3hot or D3cold, has "HotPlugSupportInD3",
>     and has wakeup.flags.valid, OR
>
>   - Root Port can wake from D3hot or D3cold, and "dev" has _PR0 or
>     _PS0

Well, not exactly.  The second point should be

 - Root Port's ACPI companion ('dev') has _PR0 or _PS0.

> Previously, all bridges with _PR0 or _PS0 could use D3; now we also
> require that the Root Port's _S0W says it can wake from at least
> D3hot.

Yes, if _S0W is present and it evaluates successfully, then it is
required to confirm that wakeup signaling from at least D3hot is
supported for 'true' to be returned (but it is not sufficient for that
by itself).

That's the only functional change made by that patch and yes, the
patch below is what I mean.

> diff --git a/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c b/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c
> index a46fec776ad7..66c9ae1dc5da 100644
> --- a/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c
> +++ b/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c
> @@ -984,10 +984,6 @@ bool acpi_pci_bridge_d3(struct pci_dev *dev)
>         if (acpi_pci_disabled || !dev->is_hotplug_bridge)
>                 return false;
>
> -       /* Assume D3 support if the bridge is power-manageable by ACPI. */
> -       if (acpi_pci_power_manageable(dev))
> -               return true;
> -
>         rpdev = pcie_find_root_port(dev);
>         if (!rpdev)
>                 return false;
> @@ -996,14 +992,6 @@ bool acpi_pci_bridge_d3(struct pci_dev *dev)
>         if (!adev)
>                 return false;
>
> -       /*
> -        * If the Root Port cannot signal wakeup signals at all, i.e., it
> -        * doesn't supply a wakeup GPE via _PRW, it cannot signal hotplug
> -        * events from low-power states including D3hot and D3cold.
> -        */
> -       if (!adev->wakeup.flags.valid)
> -               return false;
> -
>         /*
>          * If the Root Port cannot wake itself from D3hot or D3cold, we
>          * can't use D3.
> @@ -1014,16 +1002,21 @@ bool acpi_pci_bridge_d3(struct pci_dev *dev)
>
>         /*
>          * The "HotPlugSupportInD3" property in a Root Port _DSD indicates
> -        * the Port can signal hotplug events while in D3.  We assume any
> -        * bridges *below* that Root Port can also signal hotplug events
> -        * while in D3.
> +        * the Port can signal hotplug events while in D3.  This differs
> +        * from _S0W because _S0W may rely on GPEs, which can only be used
> +        * directly for wake signaling, not hotplug events.
> +        *
> +        * We assume any bridges *below* that Root Port can also signal
> +        * hotplug events while in D3.
>          */
> -       if (!acpi_dev_get_property(adev, "HotPlugSupportInD3",
> +       if (adev->wakeup.flags.valid &&
> +           !acpi_dev_get_property(adev, "HotPlugSupportInD3",
>                                    ACPI_TYPE_INTEGER, &obj) &&
>             obj->integer.value == 1)
>                 return true;
>
> -       return false;
> +       /* Assume D3 support if the bridge is power-manageable by ACPI. */
> +       return acpi_pci_power_manageable(dev);
>  }
>
>  int acpi_pci_set_power_state(struct pci_dev *dev, pci_power_t state)

Note that the adev->wakeup.flags.valid is still necessary in the cases
when _S0W is not present, because in those cases wakeup support
implies that it is supported in all D-states.  It is sort of redundant
when _S0W is present, but the current code has it and this particular
patch doesn't (or even shouldn't) change that.

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