linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] cpuidle: ladder: Tune promotion/demotion threshold

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Message-ID: <CAJZ5v0gPOUQDb8c_pVYjzBvU3e3U9JoLhJy5vRBF4h2=zvaHHw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:50:07 +0100
From:   "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
To:     Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com>
Cc:     rjw@...ysocki.net, daniel.lezcano@...aro.org,
        linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] cpuidle: ladder: Tune promotion/demotion threshold

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:40 PM Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com> wrote:
>
> After fixing the bogus comparison between u64 and s64, the ladder
> governor stops making promotion decisions errornously.
>
> However, after this, it is found that the ladder governor demotes much
> easier than promotes.

"After fixing an error related to using signed and unsigned integers
in the ladder governor in a previous patch, that governor turns out to
demote much easier than promote"

> Below is captured using turbostat after a 30 seconds runtime idle,
>
> Without previous patch,
> Busy%   IRQ     POLL    C1      C1E     C3      C6      C7s     C8      C9      C10     CPU%c1  CPU%c3  CPU%c6  CPU%c7  PkgWatt
> 0.30    2373    0       0       0       4       9       25      122     326     2857    0.36    0.04    0.57    98.73   1.48

Why is the above relevant?

> With previous patch,
> Busy%   IRQ     POLL    C1      C1E     C3      C6      C7s     C8      C9      C10     CPU%c1  CPU%c3  CPU%c6  CPU%c7  PkgWatt
> 0.42    3071    0       771     838     447     327     336     382     299     344     34.18   16.21   17.69   31.51   2.00
>
> And this is caused by the imbalanced PROMOTION_COUNT/DEMOTION_COUNT.

I would explain why/how the imbalanced PROMOTION_COUNT/DEMOTION_COUNT
imbalance causes this.

I guess more residency in the deeper idle state is expected?  Or desired??

> With this patch,
> Busy%   IRQ     POLL    C1      C1E     C3      C6      C7s     C8      C9      C10     CPU%c1  CPU%c3  CPU%c6  CPU%c7  PkgWatt
> 0.39    2436    0       1       72      177     51      194     243     799     1883    0.50    0.32    0.35    98.45   1.53
>
> Note that this is an experimental patch to illustrate the problem,
> and it is checked with idle scenario only for now.
> I will try to evaluate with more scenarios, and if someone can help
> evaluate with more scenarios at the same time and provide data for the
> benefit with different PROMOTION_COUNT/DEMOTION_COUNT values, that
> would be great.

So yes, this requires more work.

Overall, I think that you are concerned that the previous change might
be regarded as a regression and are trying to compensate for it with a
PROMOTION_COUNT/DEMOTION_COUNT change.

I'm not sure I can agree with that approach, because the shallower
idle states might be preferred by the original ladder design
intentionally, for performance reasons.

> Signed-off-by: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com>
> ---
>  drivers/cpuidle/governors/ladder.c | 4 ++--
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/cpuidle/governors/ladder.c b/drivers/cpuidle/governors/ladder.c
> index fb61118aef37..4b47aa0a4da9 100644
> --- a/drivers/cpuidle/governors/ladder.c
> +++ b/drivers/cpuidle/governors/ladder.c
> @@ -20,8 +20,8 @@
>  #include <asm/io.h>
>  #include <linux/uaccess.h>
>
> -#define PROMOTION_COUNT 4
> -#define DEMOTION_COUNT 1
> +#define PROMOTION_COUNT 2
> +#define DEMOTION_COUNT 4
>
>  struct ladder_device_state {
>         struct {
> --