Message-ID: <Y4keIyIK6OA3nOwT@dev-arch.thelio-3990X>
Date:   Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:35:31 -0700
From:   Nathan Chancellor <nathan@...nel.org>
To:     Rik van Riel <riel@...riel.com>
Cc:     Thorsten Leemhuis <regressions@...mhuis.info>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>,
        "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@...el.com>,
        kernel test robot <yujie.liu@...el.com>, lkp@...ts.01.org,
        lkp@...el.com, Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        feng.tang@...el.com, zhengjun.xing@...ux.intel.com,
        fengwei.yin@...el.com
Subject: Re: [mm] f35b5d7d67: will-it-scale.per_process_ops -95.5% regression

On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 03:29:41PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-12-01 at 19:33 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > Hi, this is your Linux kernel regression tracker.
> > 
> > On 28.11.22 07:40, Nathan Chancellor wrote:
> > > Hi Rik,
> > 
> > I wonder what we should do about below performance regression. Is
> > reverting the culprit now and reapplying it later together with a fix
> > a
> > viable option? Or was anything done/is anybody doing something
> > already
> > to address the problem and I just missed it?
> 
> The changeset in question speeds up kernel compiles with
> GCC, as well as the runtime speed of other programs, due
> to being able to use THPs more. However, it slows down kernel
> compiles with clang, due to ... something clang does.
> 
> I have not figured out what that something is yet.
> 
> I don't know if I have the wrong version of clang here,
> but I have not seen any smoking gun at all when tracing
> clang system calls. I see predominantly small mmap and
> unmap calls, and nothing that even triggers 2MB alignment.

Sorry about that :/ What version of clang are you trying to reproduce
with? I was able to see this with 14.x and 16.x, it is possible that
older versions do not do the thing that is causing this.

I cannot really be testing much on my main workstation but I will see if
I can reproduce this behavior on one of my other test systems or a
virtual machine. Once I do that, if you are still unable to reproduce
it, I can potentially try and help you debug this, although I will
likely need some hand holding.

Cheers,
Nathan

> > Yang Shi, Andrew, what's your option on this? I ask you directly,
> > because it looks like Rik hasn't posted anything to lists archived on
> > lore during the last few weeks. :-/
> > 
> > Ciao, Thorsten (wearing his 'the Linux kernel's regression tracker'
> > hat)
> > 
> > P.S.: As the Linux kernel's regression tracker I deal with a lot of
> > reports and sometimes miss something important when writing mails
> > like
> > this. If that's the case here, don't hesitate to tell me in a public
> > reply, it's in everyone's interest to set the public record straight.
> > 
> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:16:20AM -0700, Nathan Chancellor wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:28:16AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 13:07 +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> > > > > > Nathan Chancellor <nathan@...nel.org> writes:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For what it's worth, I just bisected a massive and visible
> > > > > > > performance
> > > > > > > regression on my Threadripper 3990X workstation to commit
> > > > > > > f35b5d7d676e
> > > > > > > ("mm: align larger anonymous mappings on THP boundaries"),
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > directly related to this report/analysis. I initially
> > > > > > > noticed this
> > > > > > > because my full set of kernel builds against mainline went
> > > > > > > from 2
> > > > > > > hours
> > > > > > > and 20 minutes or so to over 3 hours. Zeroing in on x86_64
> > > > > > > allmodconfig,
> > > > > > > which I used for the bisect:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > @ 7b5a0b664ebe ("mm/page_ext: remove unused variable in
> > > > > > > offline_page_ext"):
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Benchmark 1: make -skj128 LLVM=1 allmodconfig all
> > > > > > >   Time (mean ± σ):     318.172 s ±  0.730 s    [User:
> > > > > > > 31750.902 s,
> > > > > > > System: 4564.246 s]
> > > > > > >   Range (min … max):   317.332 s … 318.662 s    3 runs
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > @ f35b5d7d676e ("mm: align larger anonymous mappings on THP
> > > > > > > boundaries"):
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Benchmark 1: make -skj128 LLVM=1 allmodconfig all
> > > > > > >   Time (mean ± σ):     406.688 s ±  0.676 s    [User:
> > > > > > > 31819.526 s,
> > > > > System: 16327.022 s]
> > > > > > >   Range (min … max):   405.954 s … 407.284 s    3 run
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Have you tried to build with gcc?  Want to check whether is
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > clang
> > > > > > specific issue or not.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This may indeed be something LLVM specific. In previous tests,
> > > > > GCC has generally seen a benefit from increased THP usage.
> > > > > Many other applications also benefit from getting more THPs.
> > > > 
> > > > Indeed, GCC builds actually appear to be slightly faster on my
> > > > system now,
> > > > apologies for not trying that before reporting :/
> > > > 
> > > > 7b5a0b664ebe:
> > > > 
> > > > Benchmark 1: make -skj128 allmodconfig all
> > > >   Time (mean ± σ):     355.294 s ±  0.931 s    [User: 33620.469
> > > > s, System: 6390.064 s]
> > > >   Range (min … max):   354.571 s … 356.344 s    3 runs
> > > > 
> > > > f35b5d7d676e:
> > > > 
> > > > Benchmark 1: make -skj128 allmodconfig all
> > > >   Time (mean ± σ):     347.400 s ±  2.029 s    [User: 34389.724
> > > > s, System: 4603.175 s]
> > > >   Range (min … max):   345.815 s … 349.686 s    3 runs
> > > > 
> > > > > LLVM showing 10% system time before this change, and a whopping
> > > > > 30% system time after that change, suggests that LLVM is
> > > > > behaving
> > > > > quite differently from GCC in some ways.
> > > > 
> > > > The above tests were done with GCC 12.2.0 from Arch Linux. The
> > > > previous LLVM
> > > > tests were done with a self-compiled version of LLVM from the
> > > > main branch
> > > > (16.0.0), optimized with BOLT [1]. To eliminate that as a source
> > > > of issues, I
> > > > used my distribution's version of clang (14.0.6) and saw similar
> > > > results as
> > > > before:
> > > > 
> > > > 7b5a0b664ebe:
> > > > 
> > > > Benchmark 1: make -skj128 LLVM=/usr/bin/ allmodconfig all
> > > >   Time (mean ± σ):     462.517 s ±  1.214 s    [User: 48544.240
> > > > s, System: 5586.212 s]
> > > >   Range (min … max):   461.115 s … 463.245 s    3 runs
> > > > 
> > > > f35b5d7d676e:
> > > > 
> > > > Benchmark 1: make -skj128 LLVM=/usr/bin/ allmodconfig all
> > > >   Time (mean ± σ):     547.927 s ±  0.862 s    [User: 47913.709
> > > > s, System: 17682.514 s]
> > > >   Range (min … max):   547.429 s … 548.922 s    3 runs
> > > > 
> > > > > If we can figure out what these differences are, maybe we can
> > > > > just fine tune the code to avoid this issue.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'll try to play around with LLVM compilation a little bit next
> > > > > week, to see if I can figure out what might be going on. I
> > > > > wonder
> > > > > if LLVM is doing lots of mremap calls or something...
> > > > 
> > > > If there is any further information I can provide or patches I
> > > > can test,
> > > > I am more than happy to do so.
> > > > 
> > > > [1]:
> > > > https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/tree/96552e73900176d65ee6650facae8d669d6f9498/bolt
> > > 
> > > Was there ever a follow up to this report that I missed? I just
> > > noticed that I am still reverting f35b5d7d676e in my mainline
> > > kernel.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Nathan
> > > 
> > 
> > #regzbot ignore-activity
> > 
> 
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