linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v8 5/5] x86/tdx: Add Quote generation support

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Message-ID: <CAAYXXYxxs2zy_978GJDwKfX5Hud503gPc8=1kQ-+JwG_kA79mg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 6 Jan 2023 16:58:56 -0800
From:   Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@...gle.com>
To:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
Cc:     Guorui Yu <GuoRui.Yu@...ux.alibaba.com>, ak@...ux.intel.com,
        bp@...en8.de, dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com, hpa@...or.com,
        isaku.yamahata@...il.com, jun.nakajima@...el.com,
        kai.huang@...el.com, khalid.elmously@...onical.com,
        kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        marcelo.cerri@...onical.com, mingo@...hat.com,
        philip.cox@...onical.com,
        sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@...ux.intel.com, tglx@...utronix.de,
        tim.gardner@...onical.com, tony.luck@...el.com, wander@...hat.com,
        x86@...nel.org, "Du, Fan" <fan.du@...el.com>,
        Chong Cai <chongc@...gle.com>,
        Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 5/5] x86/tdx: Add Quote generation support

I apologize for bumping an old thread up and getting in the discussion
this late.

Bumping this thread because as Chong mentioned below, it is essential
for us to have TDG.VP.VMCALL<GetQuote> interface as we do not
enable/support virtio in many use cases.
Coming from the  "Add TDX Guest Attestation support patch set [1]"
which does not have the Quote support as per Dave's review suggestion,
I am looking for what our options are here.

@Hansen, Dave  : as far as I understand your concerns were:

>>Do we *REALLY* need specific driver functionality for this? For
>>instance, is there no existing virtio device that can send blobs back and forth?

As Chong and I said, we have to have a vsock alternative solution if
we want to provide TDX based products for our customers. Otherwise it
will really limit our ability to adopt this technology.

>> You're basically saying that every confidential computing technology
>> should have its own host user <-> guest kernel <-> guest user ABI.
>> That's insanity.  If we do this, we need *one* interface that says "talk
>> to the hypervisor" that's common for all hypervisors and hardware
>> vendors, or at least more than *one*.

This is already happening, right? AMD has GHCB ABI while intel has
GHCI. Also there is already a guest driver and IOCTL interface for
TDREPORT, so would it be really that insane to have another IOCTL
interface for GetQuote?

I would like to get your opinion on how we can progress on this?

-Erdem

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20221116223820.819090-1-sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com/t/#m341e6475982318d74be160c09a1856ad87e184cf

> From: Chong Cai <chongc@...gle.com>
> Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 5/5] x86/tdx: Add Quote generation support
> To: Nakajima, Jun <jun.nakajima@...el.com>
> Cc: <ak@...ux.intel.com>, <bp@...en8.de>, <dave.hansen@...el.com>, <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>, <hpa@...or.com>, <isaku.yamahata@...il.com>, <kai.huang@...el.com>, <khalid.elmously@...onical.com>, <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>, <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, <marcelo.cerri@...onical.com>, <mingo@...hat.com>, <philip.cox@...onical.com>, <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@...ux.intel.com>, <tglx@...utronix.de>, <tim.gardner@...onical.com>, <tony.luck@...el.com>, <wander@...hat.com>, <x86@...nel.org>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> Sorry for being late in the discussion.
>
>
> We just want to add that we have use cases where virtio/vsock is not supported at all; therefore, getquote TDVMCALL support is required for us to adopt this technology.
>
>
> Is there anything we can help here?
>
>


On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 6:26 PM Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/20/22 18:04, Guorui Yu wrote:
> > Kindly ping for any comments here?
>
> No comments from me!
>
> Seriously, this is from June.  I honestly have no idea what this patch
> is for or why you're asking about it.  If it were  important, I would
> have expected a new post with a new cover letter telling me some time in
> the past 5-6 months.
>
> Oh, and btw, I haven't seen you reviewing any other x86 submissions
> during that past 5-6 months either.  I'm tend to be more likely to bump
> things up near the front of the queue for folks that are helping to keep
> the queue short and manageable.