linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v13 3/6] mm/vmstat: manage per-CPU stats from CPU context when NOHZ full

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Message-ID: <Y72OZn6mULPX4xk8@lothringen>
Date:   Tue, 10 Jan 2023 17:12:22 +0100
From:   Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@...nel.org>
To:     Hillf Danton <hdanton@...a.com>
Cc:     Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@...hat.com>, atomlin@...mlin.com,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 3/6] mm/vmstat: manage per-CPU stats from CPU context
 when NOHZ full

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 11:19:01PM +0800, Hillf Danton wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 08:50:28 -0300 Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@...hat.com>
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:43:56AM +0800, Hillf Danton wrote:
> > > On 9 Jan 2023 11:12:49 -0300 Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@...hat.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, but if you do not return to userspace, then the per-CPU vm
> > > > statistics can be dirty indefinitely.
> > > 
> > > Could you specify the reasons for failing to return to userspace,
> > > given it is undesired intereference for the shepherd to queue work
> > > on the isolated CPUs.
> > 
> > Any system call that takes longer than the threshold to sync vmstats.
> 
> Which ones?
> 
> If schedule() occurs during syscall because of acquiring mutex for instance
> then anything on the isolated runqueue, including workqueue worker shepherd
> wakes up, can burn CPU cycles without undesired intereference produced.

The above confuses me. How others tasks would help with syscalls that take too long too
service?

> > 
> > Or a long running kernel thread, for example:
> 
> It is a buggyyyy example.
> > 
> > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65111483/long-running-kthread-and-synchronize-net

I can imagine a CPU spending most of its time processing networking packets
through interrupts/softirq within ksoftirqd/NAPI while another CPU process
these packets in userspace.

In this case the CPU handling the kernel part can theoretically never go to
idle/user. nohz_full isn't optimized toward such job but there is nothing
to prevent it from doing such job.

Thanks.