linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2] KVM: x86: Do not return host topology information from KVM_GET_SUPPORTED

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Message-ID: <f322cce0-f83a-16d9-9738-f47f265b41d8@redhat.com>
Date:   Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:40:34 +0100
From:   Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
To:     Jim Mattson <jmattson@...gle.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
        seanjc@...gle.com, stable@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] KVM: x86: Do not return host topology information from
 KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID

On 1/26/23 01:58, Jim Mattson wrote:
>> You wrote it yourself: any VMM must either populate the topology on its
>> own, or possibly fill it with zeros.  Returning a value that is
>> extremely unlikely to be used is worse in pretty much every way (apart
>> from not breaking your VMM, of course).
> 
> I've complained about this particular ioctl more than I can remember.
> This is just one of its many problems.

I agree.  At the very least it should have been a VM ioctl.

>> With a total of six known users (QEMU, crosvm, kvmtool, firecracker,
>> rust-vmm, and the Google VMM), KVM is damned if it reverts the patch and
>> damned if it doesn't.  There is a tension between fixing the one VMM
>> that was using KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID correctly and now breaks loudly,
>> and fixing 3-4 that were silently broken and are now fixed.  I will
>> probably send a patch to crosvm, though.
>>
>> The VMM being _proprietary_ doesn't really matter, however it does
>> matter to me that it is not _public_: it is only used within Google, and
>> the breakage is neither hard to fix in the VMM nor hard to temporarily
>> avoid by reverting the patch in the Google kernel.
> 
> Sadly, there isn't a single kernel involved. People running our VMM on
> their desktops are going to be impacted as soon as this patch hits
> that distro. (I don't know if I can say which distro that is.) So, now
> we have to get the VMM folks to urgently accommodate this change and
> get a new distribution out.

Ok, this is what is needed to make a more informed choice.  To be clear, 
this is _still_ not public (for example it's not ChromeOS), so there is 
at least some control on what version of the VMM they use?  Would it 
make sense to buy you a few months by deferring this patch to Linux 6.3-6.5?

Thanks,

Paolo