linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH] vfio/pci: Add DVSEC PCI Extended Config Capability to user visible list.

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Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2023 07:50:49 +0000
From:   "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>
To:     Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
CC:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>,
        "K V P, Satyanarayana" <satyanarayana.k.v.p@...el.com>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "cohuck@...hat.com" <cohuck@...hat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] vfio/pci: Add DVSEC PCI Extended Config Capability to
 user visible list.

> From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:29 AM
> 
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 05:54:46 +0000
> "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com> wrote:
> 
> > > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:58 PM
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 05:54:26AM +0000, K V P, Satyanarayana wrote:
> > > > Intel Platform Monitoring Technology (PMT) support is indicated by
> > > presence
> > > > of an Intel defined PCIe Designated Vendor Specific Extended
> Capabilities
> > > > (DVSEC) structure with a PMT specific ID.However DVSEC structures
> may
> > > also
> > > > be used by Intel to indicate support for other features. The Out Of Band
> > > Management
> > > > Services Module (OOBMSM) uses DVSEC to enumerate several features,
> > > including PMT.
> > > >
> > > > The current VFIO driver does not pass DVSEC capabilities to virtual
> machine
> > > (VM)
> > > > which makes intel_vsec driver not to work in the VM. This series adds
> > > DVSEC
> > > > capability to user visible list to allow its use with VFIO.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: K V P Satyanarayana <satyanarayana.k.v.p@...el.com>
> > > > ---
> > > >  drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci_config.c | 8 ++++++++
> > > >  1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > Wasn't the IDXD/SIOV team proposing to use the fact that DVSEC doesn't
> > > propogate to indicate that IMS doesn't work?
> > >
> > > Did this plan get abandoned? It seems at odds with this patch.
> >
> > No. Guest IMS will be indicated via hypercall/vIR as planned.
> 
> Thank goodness, basing a feature on the absence of a capability that's
> subject to change would have really put us, or IMS, in a corner.
> 
> > > Why would you use a "Platform Monitoring Technology" device with VFIO
> > > anyhow?
> >
> > Ack. I guess it's a monitoring capability per PCI device to form a
> > platform-level monitoring technology. But w/o all those background
> > and usage description it's really strange to pass a 'platform' capability
> > into a guest.
> 
> Is this perhaps for validation of the device, because yes, assigning
> platform devices to a VM doesn't seem like something a system vendor
> would tend to promote.

from the description in v2 sounds like it's a telemetry/crashlog/etc.
capability on a PCI device, though it's confusingly called 'platform'.

> 
> > > Honestly I'm a bit reluctant to allow arbitary config space, some of
> > > the stuff people put there can be dangerous.
> > >
> >
> > Probably an allowed list to manage which DVSEC ID can be exposed
> > to userspace via vfio-pci, e.g. if the PMT ID in this patch is proved
> > to be safe for a meaningful usage?
> 
> Well, let me take this a different direction because the support
> proposed here only allows read-only access to the DVSEC capability.  Is
> that actually useful?  Drivers making use of write access to DVSEC are
> going to fail in unpredictable ways if their writes are dropped.  That
> seems worse than our current state of hiding it.

Yep, this is weird. Even when a telemetry/crashlog feature is more for
reading data from the device, there should be certain control knobs to
enable/disable it then write access is also required.

> 
> We already provide raw write access to both the standard and extended
> vendor specific capabilities, why wouldn't we by default do the same
> for DVSEC?  Devices aren't limited to config space if they want to do

oh, I was unaware of it.

> something dangerous, at some point we need to rely on platform
> isolation.

Probably it's easier for HW vendors to make security mistake in config
space other than in MMIO bar. 😊 but I agree if nobody complains 
on how VSEC is handle today there is no reason why we should not do
the same thing for DVSEC.

> 
> If there are underlying concerns here, then we probably need some sort
> of opt-in policy which restricts vfio-pci from binding to anything but
> VFs.  Thanks,
> 
> Alex