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Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:53:13 +0000
From:   Daniel Golle <daniel@...rotopia.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v12 08/18] net: ethernet: mtk_eth_soc: fix
 1000Base-X and 2500Base-X modes

On Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 12:41:43PM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 12:11:48PM +0000, Daniel Golle wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 11:35:40AM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 03:53:58PM +0000, Daniel Golle wrote:
> > > > After conversion to phylink_pcs the 1000Base-X and 2500Base-X modes
> > > > would work only after `ethtool -s eth1 autoneg off`.
> > > > As ethtool autoneg and the ETHTOOL_LINK_MODE_Autoneg_BIT is supposed
> > > > to control auto-negotiation on the external interface it doesn't make
> > > > much sense to use it to control on-board SGMII auto-negotiation between
> > > > MAC and PHY.
> > > > Set correct values to really only enable SGMII auto-negotiation when
> > > > actually operating in SGMII mode. For 1000Base-X and 2500Base-X mode,
> > > > enable remote-fault detection only if in-band-status is enabled.
> > > > This fixes using 1000Base-X and 2500Base-X SFPs on the BananaPi R3
> > > > board and also makes it possible to use interface-mode-switching PHYs
> > > > operating in either SGMII mode for 10M/100M/1000M or in 2500Base-X for
> > > > 2500M mode on other boards.
> > > > 
> > > > Fixes: 14a44ab0330d ("net: mtk_eth_soc: partially convert to phylink_pcs")
> > > > Signed-off-by: Daniel Golle <daniel@...rotopia.org>
> > > 
> > > NAK.
> > > 
> > > There are PHYs out there which operate in SGMII mode but do not
> > > exchange the SGMII 16-bit configuration word. The code implemented
> > > here by me was explicitly to allow such a configuration to work,
> > > which is defined as:
> > > 
> > > 	SGMII *without* mode == inband
> > > 
> > > An example of this is the Broadcom 84881 PHY which can be found on
> > > SFP modules.
> > 
> > I also have multiple such 1000Base-T SFP modules here (finisar, AJYA),
> > and this change doesn't touch the codepaths relevant for those. They
> > are operating in SGMII mode, they have always been working fine.
> > 
> > What I'm trying to fix here is 1000Base-X and 2500Base-X mode which
> > has been broken by introducing ETHTOOL_LINK_MODE_Autoneg_BIT as the
> > deciding factor for in-band AN here.
> 
> ... which is correct.
> 
> > Can you explain why ETHTOOL_LINK_MODE_Autoneg_BIT was used there in
> > first place? Is my understanding of this bit controlling autoneg on the
> > *external* interface rather than on the *system-side* interface wrong?
> 
> Think about what 1000BASE-X is for. It's not really for internal links,
> it's intended by IEEE 802.3 to be the 1G *media* side protocol for
> 1000BASE-SX, 1000BASE-LX, 1000BASE-CX etc links.
> 
> Therefore, when being used in that case, one may wish to disable
> autoneg over the fibre link. Hence, turning off autoneg via ethtool
> *should* turn off autoneg over the fibre link. So, using
> ETHTOOL_LINK_MODE_Autoneg_BIT to gate 802.3z autonegotiation the
> correct thing to do.
> 
> If we have a PHY using 1000BASE-X, then it is at odds with the
> primary purpose of this protocol, especially with it comes to AN.
> This is why phylink used to refuse to accept PHYs when using 802.3z
> mode, but Marek wanted this to work, so relaxed the checks
> preventing such a setup working.

Sadly 2500Base-X is very commonly used to connect 2500Base-T-capable
PHYs or SFP modules. I also got an ATS branded 1000M/100M/10M copper
SFP module which uses 1000Base-X as system-side interface, independently
of the speed of the link partner on the TP interface.
All of them do not work with inband-AN enabled and a link only comes
up after `ethtool -s eth1 autoneg off` in the current implementation,
while previously they were working just fine.

I understand that there isn't really a good solution for 1000Base-X as
thanks to you I now understand that SerDes autoneg just transparently
ends up being autoneg on a fiber link.

2500Base-X, however, is hardly used for fiber links, but rather mostly
for 2500Base-T PHYs and SFP module as well as xPON SFPs. Maybe we could
at least have in-band AN disabled by default for those to get them
working without requiring the user to carry out ethtool settings?

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