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Date:   Mon, 13 Mar 2023 11:49:58 -0400
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
To:     Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com>
Cc:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@...nel.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Qiuxu Zhuo <qiuxu.zhuo@...el.com>,
        Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@...il.com>,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, rcu@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] rcu: Add a minimum time for marking boot as completed

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 11:32 AM Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 06:58:30AM -0700, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 13, 2023, at 2:51 AM, Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 10:24:34PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 09:55:02AM +0100, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 10:10:56PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 01:57:42PM +0100, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > >>>> [..]
> > >>>>>>>>>> See this commit:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 3705b88db0d7cc ("rcu: Add a module parameter to force use of
> > >>>>>>>>>> expedited RCU primitives")
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Antti provided this commit precisely in order to allow Android
> > >>>>>>>>>> devices to expedite the boot process and to shut off the
> > >>>>>>>>>> expediting at a time of Android userspace's choosing.  So Android
> > >>>>>>>>>> has been making this work for about ten years, which strikes me
> > >>>>>>>>>> as an adequate proof of concept.  ;-)
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the pointer. That's true. Looking at Android sources, I
> > >>>>>>>>> find that Android Mediatek devices at least are setting
> > >>>>>>>>> rcu_expedited to 1 at late stage of their userspace boot (which is
> > >>>>>>>>> weird, it should be set to 1 as early as possible), and
> > >>>>>>>>> interestingly I cannot find them resetting it back to 0!.  Maybe
> > >>>>>>>>> they set rcu_normal to 1? But I cannot find that either. Vlad? :P
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Interesting.  Though this is consistent with Antti's commit log,
> > >>>>>>>> where he talks about expediting grace periods but not unexpediting
> > >>>>>>>> them.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Do you think we need to unexpedite it? :))))
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Android runs on smallish systems, so quite possibly not!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> We keep it enabled and never unexpedite it. The reason is a performance.  I
> > >>>>> have done some app-launch time analysis with enabling and disabling of it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> An expedited case is much better when it comes to app launch time. It
> > >>>>> requires ~25% less time to run an app comparing with unexpedited variant.
> > >>>>> So we have a big gain here.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Wow, that's huge. I wonder if you can dig deeper and find out why that is so
> > >>>> as the callbacks may need to be synchronize_rcu_expedited() then, as it could
> > >>>> be slowing down other usecases! I find it hard to believe, real-time
> > >>>> workloads will run better without those callbacks being always-expedited if
> > >>>> it actually gives back 25% in performance!
> > >>>>
> > >>> I can dig further, but on a high level i think there are some spots
> > >>> which show better performance if expedited is set. I mean synchronize_rcu()
> > >>> becomes as "less blocking a context" from a time point of view.
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem of a regular synchronize_rcu() is - it can trigger a big latency
> > >>> delays for a caller. For example for nocb case we do not know where in a list
> > >>> our callback is located and when it is invoked to unblock a caller.
> > >>
> > >> True, expedited RCU grace periods do not have this callback-invocation
> > >> delay that normal RCU does.
> > >>
> > >>> I have already mentioned somewhere. Probably it makes sense to directly wake-up
> > >>> callers from the GP kthread instead and not via nocb-kthread that invokes our callbacks
> > >>> one by one.
> > >>
> > >> Makes sense, but it is necessary to be careful.  Wakeups are not fast,
> > >> so making the RCU grace-period kthread do them all sequentially is not
> > >> a strategy to win.  For example, note that the next expedited grace
> > >> period can start before the previous expedited grace period has finished
> > >> its wakeups.
> > >>
> > > I hove done a small and quick prototype:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/rcupdate_wait.h b/include/linux/rcupdate_wait.h
> > > index 699b938358bf..e1a4cca9a208 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/rcupdate_wait.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/rcupdate_wait.h
> > > @@ -9,6 +9,8 @@
> > > #include <linux/rcupdate.h>
> > > #include <linux/completion.h>
> > >
> > > +extern struct llist_head gp_wait_llist;
> > > +
> > > /*
> > >  * Structure allowing asynchronous waiting on RCU.
> > >  */
> > > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree.c b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > index ee27a03d7576..50b81ca54104 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > @@ -113,6 +113,9 @@ int rcu_num_lvls __read_mostly = RCU_NUM_LVLS;
> > > int num_rcu_lvl[] = NUM_RCU_LVL_INIT;
> > > int rcu_num_nodes __read_mostly = NUM_RCU_NODES; /* Total # rcu_nodes in use. */
> > >
> > > +/* Waiters for a GP kthread. */
> > > +LLIST_HEAD(gp_wait_llist);
> > > +
> > > /*
> > >  * The rcu_scheduler_active variable is initialized to the value
> > >  * RCU_SCHEDULER_INACTIVE and transitions RCU_SCHEDULER_INIT just before the
> > > @@ -1776,6 +1779,14 @@ static noinline void rcu_gp_cleanup(void)
> > >                on_each_cpu(rcu_strict_gp_boundary, NULL, 0);
> > > }
> > >
> > > +static void rcu_notify_gp_end(struct llist_node *llist)
> > > +{
> > > +       struct llist_node *rcu, *next;
> > > +
> > > +       llist_for_each_safe(rcu, next, llist)
> > > +               complete(&((struct rcu_synchronize *) rcu)->completion);
> >
> > This looks broken to me, so the synchronize will complete even
> > if it was called in the middle of an ongoing GP?
> >
> Do you mean before replacing the list(and after rcu_gp_cleanup()) a new
> GP sequence can be initiated?

I guess I mean rcu_notify_gp_end() is called at the end of the current
grace period, which might be the grace period which started _before_
the synchronize_rcu() was called. So the callback needs to be invoked
after the end of the next grace period, not the current one.

Did I miss some part of your patch that is handling this?

thanks,

 - Joel

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