linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm/mmu_gather: send tlb_remove_table_smp

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Date:   Wed, 5 Apr 2023 14:00:17 +0200
From:   David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm/mmu_gather: send tlb_remove_table_smp_sync IPI
 only to CPUs in kernel mode

On 05.04.23 13:41, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 01:10:07PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 12:44:04PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 04:42:24PM +0300, Yair Podemsky wrote:
>>>> +	int state = atomic_read(&ct->state);
>>>> +	/* will return true only for cpus in kernel space */
>>>> +	return state & CT_STATE_MASK == CONTEXT_KERNEL;
>>>> +}
>>>
>>> Also note that this doesn't stricly prevent userspace from being interrupted.
>>> You may well observe the CPU in kernel but it may receive the IPI later after
>>> switching to userspace.
>>>
>>> We could arrange for avoiding that with marking ct->state with a pending work bit
>>> to flush upon user entry/exit but that's a bit more overhead so I first need to
>>> know about your expectations here, ie: can you tolerate such an occasional
>>> interruption or not?
>>
>> Bah, actually what can we do to prevent from that racy IPI? Not much I fear...
> 
> Yeah, so I don't think that's actually a problem. The premise is that
> *IFF* NOHZ_FULL stays in userspace, then it will never observe the IPI.
> 
> If it violates this by doing syscalls or other kernel entries; it gets
> to keep the pieces.

Yair is currently on vacation, so I'm replying on his behalf.

Indeed, RT userspace is supposed to not call into the kernel, that's the 
premise.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb