linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v9 0/3] mm/gup: disallow GUP writing to file-backed mappings by default

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Date:   Mon, 15 May 2023 09:12:49 -0300
From:   Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>
To:     Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/3] mm/gup: disallow GUP writing to file-backed
 mappings by default

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16:21PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > One thing that came to mind is KVM with "qemu -object memory-backend-file,share=on..."
> > It is mostly used for pmem emulation.
> >
> > Do we have plan B?
> 
> Yes, we can make it opt-in or opt-out via a FOLL_FLAG. This would be easy
> to implement in the event of any issues arising.

I'm becoming less keen on the idea of a per-subsystem opt out. I think
we should make a kernel wide opt out. I like the idea of using lower
lockdown levels. Lots of things become unavaiable in the uAPI when the
lockdown level increases already.

> Jason will have some thoughts on this I'm sure. I guess the key question
> here is - is it actually feasible for this to work at all? Once we
> establish that, the rest are details :)

Surely it is, but like Ted said, the FS folks are not interested and
they are at least half the solution..

The FS also has to actively not write out the page while it cannot be
write protected unless it copies the data to a stable page. The block
stack needs the source data to be stable to do checksum/parity/etc
stuff. It is a complicated subject.

Jason