linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v9 0/3] mm/gup: disallow GUP writing to file-backed mappings by default

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Date:   Wed, 17 May 2023 00:42:24 -0700
From:   Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>
To:     Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/3] mm/gup: disallow GUP writing to file-backed
 mappings by default

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 09:29:20AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > Surely it is, but like Ted said, the FS folks are not interested and
> > > they are at least half the solution..
> > 
> > :'(
> 
> Well, I'd phrase this a bit differently - it is a difficult sell to fs
> maintainers that they should significantly complicate writeback code / VFS
> with bounce page handling etc. for a thing that is not much used corner
> case. So if we can get away with forbiding long-term pins, then that's the
> easiest solution. Dealing with short-term pins is easier as we can just
> wait for unpinning which is implementable in a localized manner.

Full agreement here.  The whole concept of supporting writeback for
long term mappings does not make much sense.

> > > The FS also has to actively not write out the page while it cannot be
> > > write protected unless it copies the data to a stable page. The block
> > > stack needs the source data to be stable to do checksum/parity/etc
> > > stuff. It is a complicated subject.
> > 
> > Yes my sense was that being able to write arbitrarily to these pages _at
> > all_ was a big issue, not only the dirty tracking aspect.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > I guess at some level letting filesystems have such total flexibility as to
> > how they implement things leaves us in a difficult position.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "total flexibility" here. In my opinion it is
> also about how HW performs checksumming etc.

I have no idea what total flexbility is even supposed to be.