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Message-ID: <aa65ec4f-ccf7-a344-692e-61abe9c95b47@intel.com>
Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 09:00:50 +0800
From: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@...el.com>
To: Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@...ux.intel.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>,
Chao Gao <chao.gao@...el.com>, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>, x86@...nel.org,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
Jim Mattson <jmattson@...gle.com>,
antonio.gomez.iglesias@...ux.intel.com,
Daniel Sneddon <daniel.sneddon@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: Track supported ARCH_CAPABILITIES in kvm_caps
On 5/23/2023 5:23 AM, Pawan Gupta wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 03:31:44AM +0800, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
>> On 5/23/2023 1:43 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>>>> 6. Performance aside, KVM should not be speculating (ha!) on what the guest
>>>>> will and will not do, and should instead honor whatever behavior is presented
>>>>> to the guest. If the guest CPU model indicates that VERW flushes buffers,
>>>>> then KVM damn well needs to let VERW flush buffers.
>>>> The current implementation allows guests to have VERW flush buffers when
>>>> they enumerate FB_CLEAR. It only restricts the flush behavior when the
>>>> guest is trying to mitigate against a vulnerability(like MDS) on a
>>>> hardware that is not affected. I guess its common for guests to be
>>>> running with older gen configuration on a newer hardware.
>>> Right, I'm saying that that behavior is wrong. KVM shouldn't assume the guest
>>> the guest will do things a certain way and should instead honor the "architectural"
>>> definition, in quotes because I realize there probably is no architectural
>>> definition for any of this.
>>>
>>> It might be that the code does (unintentionally?) honor the "architecture", i.e.
>>> this code might actually be accurrate with respect to when the guest can expect
>>> VERW to flush buffers. But the comment is so, so wrong.
>>
>> The comment is wrong and the code is wrong in some case as well.
>>
>> If none of ARCH_CAP_FB_CLEAR, ARCH_CAP_MDS_NO, ARCH_CAP_TAA_NO,
>> ARCH_CAP_PSDP_NO, ARCH_CAP_FBSDP_NO and ARCH_CAP_SBDR_SSDP_NO are exposed to
>> VM, the VM is type of "affected by MDS".
>>
>> And accroding to the page https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/software-security-guidance/technical-documentation/processor-mmio-stale-data-vulnerabilities.html
>>
>> if the VM enumerates support for both L1D_FLUSH and MD_CLEAR, it implicitly
>> enumerates FB_CLEAR as part of their MD_CLEAR support.
>
> This is the excerpt from the link that you mentioned:
>
> "For processors that are affected by MDS and support L1D_FLUSH
> operations and MD_CLEAR operations, the VERW instruction flushes fill
> buffers."
>
> You are missing an important information here "For the processors
> _affected_ by MDS". On such processors ...
>
>> However, the code will leave vmx->disable_fb_clear as 1 if hardware supports
>> it, and VERW intruction doesn't clear FB in the VM, which conflicts
>> "architectural" definition.
>
> ... Fill buffer clear is not enabled at all:
>
> vmx_setup_fb_clear_ctrl()
> {
> u64 msr;
>
> if (boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_ARCH_CAPABILITIES) &&
> !boot_cpu_has_bug(X86_BUG_MDS) &&
> !boot_cpu_has_bug(X86_BUG_TAA)) {
> rdmsrl(MSR_IA32_ARCH_CAPABILITIES, msr);
> if (msr & ARCH_CAP_FB_CLEAR_CTRL)
> vmx_fb_clear_ctrl_available = true;
> }
> }
This is the check of bare metal, while the check in
vmx_update_fb_clear_dis() is of guest VM.
For example, if the hardware (host) enumerates ARCH_CAP_TAA_NO,
ARCH_CAP_MDS_NO, ARCH_CAP_PSDP_NO, ARCH_CAP_FBSDP_NO,
ARCH_CAP_SBDR_SSDP_NO, ARCH_CAP_FB_CLEAR, and ARCH_CAP_FB_CLEAR_CTRL,
the VERW on this hardware clears Fill Buffer (if FB_CLEAR_DIS is not
enabled in MSR_IA32_MCU_OPT_CTRL). vmx_setup_fb_clear_ctrl() does set
vmx_fb_clear_ctrl_available to true.
If a guest is exposed without ARCH_CAP_TAA_NO, ARCH_CAP_MDS_NO,
ARCH_CAP_PSDP_NO, ARCH_CAP_FBSDP_NO, ARCH_CAP_SBDR_SSDP_NO and
ARCH_CAP_FB_CLEAR, vmx_update_fb_clear_dis() will leave
vmx->disable_fb_clear as true. So VERW doesn't clear Fill Buffer for
guest. But in the view of guset, it expects VERW to clear Fill Buffer.
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