Date:   Wed, 31 May 2023 09:51:41 +0200
From:   David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To:     Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@...nel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] module: add support to avoid duplicates early on load

On 30.05.23 18:22, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 09:55:15PM -0400, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 11:18 AM Johan Hovold <johan@...nel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I took a closer look at some of the modules that failed to load and
>>> noticed a pattern in that they have dependencies that are needed by more
>>> than one device.
>>
>> Ok, this is a "maybe something like this" RFC series of two patches -
>> one trivial one to re-organize things a bit so that we can then do the
>> real one which uses a filter based on the inode pointer to return an
>> "idempotent return value" for module loads that share the same inode.
>>
>> It's entirely untested, and since I'm on the road I'm going to not
>> really be able to test it. It compiles for me, and the code looks
>> fairly straightforward, but it's probably buggy.
>>
>> It's very loosely based on Luis' attempt,  but it
>>   (a) is internal to module loading
>>   (b) uses a reliable cookie
>>   (c) doesn't leave the cookie around randomly for later
>>   (d) has seen absolutely no testing
>>
>> Put another way: if somebody wants to play with this, please treat it
>> as a starting point, not the final thing. You might need to debug
>> things, and fix silly mistakes.
>>
>> The idea is to just have a simple hash list of currently executing
>> module loads, protected by a trivial spinlock. Every module loader
>> adds itself to the right hash list, and if they were the *first* one
>> (ie no other pending module loads for that inode), will actually do
>> the module load.
>>
>> Everybody who *isn't* the first one will just wait for completion and
>> return the same error code that the first one returned.
> 
> That's also a hell much more snazzier MODULE_DEBUG_AUTOLOAD_DUPS if we
> ever wanted to do something similar there if we wanted to also
> join request_module() calls, instead of it hiding under debug.
> 
>> This is technically bogus. The first one might fail due to arguments.
> 
> For boot it's fine, as I can't think of boot wanting to support trying
> to load a module with different arguments but who knows. But I can't
> see it sensible to issue concurrent multiple requests for modules
> with different arguments without waiting in userspace for the first
> to fail.
> 
> Even post-boot, doing that sounds rather insane, but it would certainly
> be a compromise and should probably be clearly documented. I think just
> a comment acknolwedging that corner case seems sensible.
> 
> Because we won't be able to get the arguments until we process the
> module, so it would be too late for this optimization on kread. So it is
> why I had also stuck to the original feature being in kread, as then it
> provides a uniq kread call and the caller is aware of it. But indeed I
> had not considered the effects of arguments.
> 
> Lucas, any thoughts from modules kmod userspace perspective into
> supporting anyone likely issuing concurrent modules requests with
> differing arguments?
> 
>> So the cookie shouldn't be just the inode, it should be the inode and
>> a hash of the arguments or something like that.
> 
> Personally I think it's a fine optimization without the arguments.
> 
>> But it is what it is,
>> and apart from possible show-stopper bugs this is no worse than the
>> failed "exclusive write deny" attempt. IOW - maybe worth trying?
> 
> The only thing I can think of is allowing threads other than the
> first one to complete before the one that actually loaded the
> module. I thought about this race for module auto-loading, see
> the comment in kmod_dup_request_announce(), so that just
> further delays the completion to other thread with a stupid
> queue_work(). That seems more important for module auto-loading
> duplicates than for boot finit_module() duplicates. But not sure
> if odering matters in the end due to a preemtible kernel and maybe
> that concern is hysteria.
> 
>> And if *that* didn't sell people on this patch series, I don't know
>> what will. I should be in marketing! Two drink minimums, here I come!
> 
> Sold:
> 
> on 255 vcpus 0 duplicates found with this setup:
> 
> root@...d ~ # cat /sys/kernel/debug/modules/stats
>           Mods ever loaded       66
>       Mods failed on kread       0
> Mods failed on decompress       0
>    Mods failed on becoming       0
>        Mods failed on load       0
>          Total module size       11268096
>        Total mod text size       4149248
>         Failed kread bytes       0
>    Failed decompress bytes       0
>      Failed becoming bytes       0
>          Failed kmod bytes       0
>   Virtual mem wasted bytes       0
>           Average mod size       170729
>      Average mod text size       62868
> 
> So:
> 
> Tested-by: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@...nel.org>
> 
> In terms of bootup timing:
> 
> Before:
> Startup finished in 41.653s (kernel) + 44.305s (userspace) = 1min 25.958s
> graphical.target reached after 44.178s in userspace.
>                                                                                   
> After:
> Startup finished in 23.995s (kernel) + 40.350s (userspace) = 1min 4.345s
> graphical.target reached after 40.226s in userspace.

I'll try grabbing the system where we saw the KASAN-related issues [1] 
and give it a churn with and without the two patches. Might take a bit 
(~1 day), unfortunately.

[1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20221013180518.217405-1-david@redhat.com

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb

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