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Date:   Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:36 +0200
From:   Frank Oltmanns <frank@...manns.dev>
To:     Maxime Ripard <maxime@...no.tech>
Cc:     Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@....com>,
        Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@...e.org>,
        Jernej Skrabec <jernej.skrabec@...il.com>,
        Michael Turquette <mturquette@...libre.com>,
        Roman Beranek <me@...y.cz>,
        Samuel Holland <samuel@...lland.org>,
        Stephen Boyd <sboyd@...nel.org>,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-clk@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-sunxi@...ts.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] clk: sunxi-ng: nkm: consider alternative parent
 rates when finding rate

Hi Maxime,

I'm sorry that the following mail is a bit long. I'm not sure, there is
some kind of misunderstanding/miscommunication somewhere, I'm just not
sure, where. :)

This mail is aiming at finding the exact points where we apparently go
down different paths.

On 2023-06-12 at 14:19:05 +0200, Maxime Ripard <maxime@...no.tech> wrote:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> On Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 09:39:35AM +0200, Frank Oltmanns wrote:
>> Hi Maxime,
>>
>> On 2023-06-07 at 08:38:39 +0200, Maxime Ripard <maxime@...no.tech> wrote:
>> > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
>> > On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 09:07:44PM +0200, Frank Oltmanns wrote:
>> >> In case the CLK_SET_RATE_PARENT flag is set, consider using a different
>> >> parent rate when determining a new rate.
>> >>
>> >> To find the best match for the requested rate, perform the following
>> >> steps for each NKM combination:
>> >>  - calculate the optimal parent rate,
>> >>  - find the best parent rate that the parent clock actually supports
>> >>  - use that parent rate to calculate the effective rate.
>> >>
>> >> In case the clk does not support setting the parent rate, use the same
>> >> algorithm as before.
>> >>
>> >> Signed-off-by: Frank Oltmanns <frank@...manns.dev>
>> >> ---
>> >>  drivers/clk/sunxi-ng/ccu_nkm.c | 40 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------
>> >>  1 file changed, 31 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>> >>
>> >> diff --git a/drivers/clk/sunxi-ng/ccu_nkm.c b/drivers/clk/sunxi-ng/ccu_nkm.c
>> >> index a0978a50edae..c71e237226f2 100644
>> >> --- a/drivers/clk/sunxi-ng/ccu_nkm.c
>> >> +++ b/drivers/clk/sunxi-ng/ccu_nkm.c
>> >> @@ -16,10 +16,10 @@ struct _ccu_nkm {
>> >>  	unsigned long	m, min_m, max_m;
>> >>  };
>> >>
>> >> -static unsigned long ccu_nkm_find_best(unsigned long parent, unsigned long rate,
>> >> -				       struct _ccu_nkm *nkm)
>> >> +static unsigned long ccu_nkm_find_best(unsigned long *parent, unsigned long rate,
>> >> +				       struct _ccu_nkm *nkm, struct clk_hw *parent_hw)
>> >>  {
>> >> -	unsigned long best_rate = 0;
>> >> +	unsigned long best_rate = 0, best_parent_rate = 0, tmp_parent = *parent;
>> >>  	unsigned long best_n = 0, best_k = 0, best_m = 0;
>> >>  	unsigned long _n, _k, _m;
>> >>
>> >> @@ -28,12 +28,29 @@ static unsigned long ccu_nkm_find_best(unsigned long parent, unsigned long rate,
>> >>  			for (_m = nkm->min_m; _m <= nkm->max_m; _m++) {
>> >>  				unsigned long tmp_rate;
>> >>
>> >> -				tmp_rate = parent * _n * _k / _m;
>> >> +				if (parent_hw) {
>> >
>> > NKM clocks always have a parent
>> >
>> > You should test if the CLK_SET_RATE_PARENT flag is set.
>>
>> ccu_nkm_find_best is called in the following two situations:
>>  a. from ccu_nkm_set_rate when setting the rate
>>  b. from ccu_nkm_round_rate when determining the rate
>>
>> In situation a. we never want ccu_nkm_find_best to try different parent
>> rates because setting the parent rate is a done deal (at least that's my
>> understanding).
>>
>> In situation b. we only want ccu_nkm_find_best to try different parent
>> rates when, as you mentioned, the CLK_SET_RATE_PARENT flag is set.
>
> It doesn't really matter though. The output of that function must be
> stable and must return the same set of factors and parent rate for a
> given target rate.
>

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing here. Of course the
set of factors and parent rate for a given target rate will be different
depending on the fact if we can or cannot adjust the parent rate,
agreed?

Let me compare my implementation to ccu_mp.

ccu_mp_round_rate either calls the function ccu_mp_find_best or
ccu_mp_find_best_with_parent_adj, depending on CLK_SET_RATE_PARENT.

I'm basically doing the same thing, but (!) ccu_nkm_find_best and
ccu_nkm_find_best_with_parent_adj would be almost identical. Therefore,
I opted to extend ccu_nkm_find_best to also support the parent
adjustment. If you look at V2 of this patch, you will see that the only
diffences are an if statement (if (parent_hw)) with two lines of code in
the if's body and the fact that we need to store the best parent rate.

If you prefer, I can split this into two separate functions like in
ccu_mp. I think all the confusion is coming from the fact that I didn't.
So apparently it was not a good idea to keep it as one function.

Should I introduce ccu_nkm_find_best_with_parent_adj instead of using
ccu_nkm_find_best for both cases?

>
> So you can call it as many times as you want, it doesn't really matter.

Of course! What did I write that made you think, I thought otherwise?

>
>> So, what this patch does, it provides a NULL pointer as parent_hw when
>> we don't want ccu_nkm_find_best to try alternative parent rates.
>
> At best, the argument is misleading then. You're not passing a pointer
> to the parent, you're telling it whether it should look for other
> parents or not. And it's not a pointer, it's a boolean.

No, I'm using parent_hw and as a pointer a few lines below when calling
clk_hw_round_rate. So I'd need a boolean AND a pointer. I always need
the pointer if the boolean is true. I never need the pointer when the
boolean is false. Therefore, I opted to choose to use the pointer for
first being a boolean (in the if) and then being a pointer (when calling
clk_hw_round_rate). This is the (hopefully easier to read) code from V2:

        if (parent_hw) {
                tmp_parent = optimal_parent_rate(rate, _n, _k, _m);
                tmp_parent = clk_hw_round_rate(parent_hw, tmp_parent);
        }


>
>> Is it ok if I add a comment to ccu_nkm_find_best that explains the
>> function and explicitly also the parameters?
>
> Sure

Done in V2.

>
>> I also thought about using two different functions for the two
>> situations. I have no strong opinion which is better.
>>
>> However, I don't think we should hand over the flags to this function,
>> because we'd still only need to provide the parent_hw if we want to
>> find the optimal parent rate, so having two parametes for the same
>> purpose seems redundant. Unless, there is a rule to not use NULL
>> pointers.
>
> Again, the behaviour must be stable across all calling sites.

No argument here.

>
>> >
>> >> +					// We must round up the desired parent rate, because the
>> >> +					// rounding down happens when calculating tmp_rate. If we
>> >> +					// round down also here, we'd round down twice.
>> >> +					unsigned long optimal_parent =
>> >> +							(rate * _m + (_n * _k - 1)) / _n / _k;
>> >
>> > I assume the addition of n * k - 1 is to round up, but I'm not sure we
>> > should hack around like that.
>> >
>> > You should compute the ideal parent rate for a given set of timings, and
>> > then just call round_rate on it. If the parent wants to round it one way
>> > or another, that's the parent concern.
>>
>> I admit that the comment explaining this is not doing the complexity of
>> this issue any justice. Let me try to explain:
>>
>> Let's say for our panel the optimal rate for pll-mipi is 449064000. The
>> best closest we can get is 449035712 with a parent rate of 217714285
>> (n=11, k=3, m=16).
>>
>> Eventually, ccu_nkm_find_best is going to be called with 449035712 as
>> the rate. If we don't round up, like I proposend, but instead calculate:
>>   optimal_parent = rate * m / n / k
>> (which is, I think, what you you're proposing) leading to an optimal
>> parent of 217714284 (!). We can't get 217714284 from the parent (we
>> could get 217714285, but we're not asking for that) so the parent rounds
>> down.
>>
>> To make things worse, this story continues for the new "best rate" as
>> well.
>>
>> In the end, ccu_nkm_find_best claims:
>>  - the optimal rate for 449064000 is 449035712 (parent=217714285, n=11,
>>    k=3, m=16)
>>  - but ccu_nkm_find_best would claim that the optimal rate for 449035712
>>    is 449018181 (parent=235200000, n=7, k=3, m=11)
>>  - and finally, the optimal rate for 449018181 is 449018180
>>    (parent=213818181, n=7, k=3, m=10)
>>
>> This doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>> But you're also right, in that we can't just always round up. In a
>> hypothetical example that we request a parent rate of 450000000. With
>> rounding up, we'd get an optimal parent rate of 218181819 for n=11, k=3,
>> m=16. And let's now further claim that the parent could provide exactly
>> that rate, we'd end up with a rate of 450000001. So, we'd overshoot,
>> which (currently) is not acceptable.
>>
>> Hmm... I currently can't think of a clever way to solve this other than
>> this:
>>
>>     optimal_parent = (rate * _m + (_n * _k - 1)) / _n / _k;
>>     tmp_parent = clk_hw_round_rate(parent_hw, optimal_parent);
>>     tmp_rate = tmp_parent * _n * _k / _m;
>>     if (tmp_rate > rate) {
>>         optimal_parent = rate * m / n / k
>>         tmp_parent = clk_hw_round_rate(parent_hw, optimal_parent);
>>         tmp_rate = tmp_parent * _n * _k / _m;
>>     }
>>     if (tmp_parent > optimal_parent)
>>         continue;
>>
>> This seems ugly, but at least it should work in all cases. Any opinions?
>
> Again, you shouldn't work around the issue.
>
> It's very simple really: you already computed the optimal parent rate,

No. I didn't. My assumption is: If ccu_nkm_find_best is asked for the
best rate for rate = 449035712, it should try to include 449035712 in
its candidates, agreed?

Example 1:
==========
rate=449035712, n=11, k=3, m=16:
We should as for a parent rate of 217714285, because:
217714285 * 11 * 3 / 16 = 449035712

How do we get from 449035712 to 217714285, you ask?

      DIV_ROUND_UP(rate * m, n * k)

Do you agree that we should ask the parent for 217714285 in case we want
a rate of 449035712 and we're currently evaluating the case n=11, k=3,
m=16?

We should not ask for a parent rate of 217714284, because:
217714284 * 11 * 3 / 16 = 449035710

Example 2:
==========
rate=500000000, n=11, k=3, m=16:
Here we should not ask the parent for
      DIV_ROUND_UP(rate * m, n * k)
because that would be 242424243.

242424243 * 11 * 3 / 16 = 500000001

We (the NKM clock, not the parent!) would overshoot (please see at the
end of this mail, why (for now) I don't want to support overshooting in
the NKM clock).

Instead we should as for a parent rate of 242424242, because:
242424242 * 11 * 3 / 16 = 499999999

In conclusion, there are cases, where we (the NKM clock) have to ask the
parent for
      DIV_ROUND_UP(rate * m, n * k)
And there are also cases, where we have to ask the parent for
      rate * m / (n * k)

This is what the code is trying to do. Maybe it's easier to look at V2
because I extracted the calcultion of the optimal parent rate into a
separate function hoping that this makes things clearer.

Let me stress this: When calculating the optimal rate for the parent,
I'm not making any assumptions here about how the PARENT clock rounds.
In fact, I assume that the parent could be perfect and always provides
the rate it is asked for. I only take into account how the nkm clock
rounds.

> you ask the parent to compute whatever is closest to that optimal parent
> rate.
>
> It's the parent responsibility now. It's the parent decision to figure
> out what "the closest" means, if it can change rate, if it has any range
> limitation, etc. You can't work around that.
>
> What you actually want there is the parent to actually provide the
> closest rate, even if it means overshooting.
>

I want to ask the parent for a rate, that would actually result in the
rate that nkm_find_best was asked for. Are you asking me to instead ask
the parent for a rate that doesn't fit that criterion?

> That's fine, we have a flag
> for that: CLK_(MUX|DIVIDER)_ROUND_CLOSEST. We just need to set it on the
> parent and be done with it.

This is a totally different issue. If you carefully look at ccu_mp, you
will see that it would ignore cases when its parent had rounded up.
ccu_nkm is no different. Teaching all of sunxi-ng's clocks to respect
ROUND_CLOSEST is a totally different beast. For now, sunxi-ng always
expects rounding down.

I do not like mixing the two into one patchset. I hope that's a fair
request? I tried to mix it and it was a nightmare! If you want, I can
try tackling ROUND_CLOSEST afterwards. But I don't think it would help
with this patchset, because we'd need to support both the ROUND_CLOSEST
and ~ROUND_CLOSEST case. Covering one case seems already hard enough. :)

Thank you for your patience,
  Frank

>
> Maxime
>
> [[End of PGP Signed Part]]

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