Date:   Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:38:56 +0100
From:   Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>
To:     Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
Cc:     Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>, andersson@...nel.org,
        amit.pundir@...aro.org, linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org,
        konrad.dybcio@...ainline.org, Sibi Sankar <quic_sibis@...cinc.com>,
        Manivannan Sadhasivam <manivannan.sadhasivam@...aro.org>,
        sumit.semwal@...aro.org, Stephen Boyd <swboyd@...omium.org>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@...nel.org>,
        Marc Zyngier <maz@...nel.org>,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "Revert "Revert "arm64: dma: Drop cache
 invalidation from arch_dma_prep_coherent()"""

On 2023-06-15 23:00, Doug Anderson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 12:04 PM Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com> wrote:
>>
>>> Presumably the fact that the firmware gets a physical address means
>>> that the firmware needs to map this address somehow itself. I can try
>>> to dig up what the firmware is doing if needed (what attributes it
>>> uses to map), but I guess the hope is that it shouldn't matter.
>>
>> It absolutely matters. Linux has been told (by DT) that this device does
>> not snoop caches, and therefore is acting on that information by using
>> the non-cacheable remap. There is nothing inherently wrong with that,
>> even when the "device" is actually firmware running on the same CPU -
>> EL3 could well run with the MMU off, or just make a point of not
>> accessing Non-Secure memory with cacheable attributes to avoid
>> side-channels. However if in this case the SCM firmware *is* using
>> cacheable attributes, as the symptoms would suggest, then either the
>> firmware or the DT is wrong, and there is nothing Linux can do to
>> completely fix that.
> 
> With help from minecrell on IRC, we've found that firmare _does_ map
> it as cachable.
> 
> 
>>> If this wild guessing is
>>> correct, maybe a more correct solution would be to simply unmap the
>>> memory from the kernel before passing the physical address to the
>>> firmware, if that's possible...
>>
>> Having now looked at the SCM driver, TBH it doesn't make an awful lot of
>> sense for it to be using dma_alloc_coherent() there anyway - it's not
>> using it as a coherent buffer, it's doing a one-off unidirectional
>> transfer of a relatively small amount of data in a manner which seems to
>> be exactly the usage model for the streaming DMA API. And I think using
>> the latter would happen to mitigate this problem too - with streaming
>> DMA you'd put the dma_map_page() call *after* all the buffer data has
>> been written, right before the SMC call, so even with a coherency
>> mismatch there would essentially be no opportunity for the caches to get
>> out of sync.
> 
> Switching to the streaming API for this function _does_ work, but for
> now I'm not going to make this switch and instead going to go with the
> fix to add "dma-coherent" [1]. That seems like the more correct fix
> instead of just a mitigation.

Sure, if you're confident that it will *always* use cacheable attributes 
for any shared-memory "DMA", that makes sense.

> If someone wants to switch the SCM
> driver to the streaming APIs, that'd be cool too. On IRC, minecrell
> pointed out that at least one function in this file,
> qcom_scm_ice_set_key(), purposely didn't use the streaming APIs.

The joke there being that memzero_explicit() on the non-cacheable alias 
means a cached copy of the key data could still be visible via the 
linear map address after the buffer is freed - especially if one can 
rely on TF-A having just pulled the whole lot into caches by reading it 
through a read-write-allocate MT_MEMORY mapping. Security is hard :)

Thanks,
Robin.

> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230615145253.1.Ic62daa649b47b656b313551d646c4de9a7da4bd4@changeid
> 
> -Doug

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