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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 20:01:07 +0800
From: "GONG, Ruiqi" <gongruiqi@...weicloud.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] Randomized slab caches for kmalloc()
On 2023/06/23 4:10, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 03:56:04PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>> On 6/16/23 13:18, GONG, Ruiqi wrote:
>>> index a3c95338cd3a..6150e9a946a7 100644
>>> --- a/mm/Kconfig
>>> +++ b/mm/Kconfig
>>> @@ -337,6 +337,55 @@ config SLUB_CPU_PARTIAL
>>> which requires the taking of locks that may cause latency spikes.
>>> Typically one would choose no for a realtime system.
>>>
>>> +config RANDOM_KMALLOC_CACHES
>>> + default n
>>> + depends on SLUB
>>> + bool "Random slab caches for normal kmalloc"
>>> + help
>>> + A hardening feature that creates multiple copies of slab caches for
>>> + normal kmalloc allocation and makes kmalloc randomly pick one based
>>> + on code address, which makes the attackers unable to spray vulnerable
>>> + memory objects on the heap for exploiting memory vulnerabilities.
>>> +
>>> +choice
>>> + prompt "Number of random slab caches copies"
>>> + depends on RANDOM_KMALLOC_CACHES
>>> + default RANDOM_KMALLOC_CACHES_16
>>> + help
>>> + The number of copies of random slab caches. Bigger value makes the
>>> + potentially vulnerable memory object less likely to collide with
>>> + objects allocated from other subsystems or modules.
>>
>> When I read this, without further knowledge, why would I select anything
>> else than the largest value? It should mention memory overhead maybe?
>
> Yeah, good idea.
>
No problem. Will add some text about memory overhead into the help
paragraph of RANDOM_KMALLOC_CACHES.
>> Also would anyone really select only "2" and thus limit the collision
>> probability to 50% and not less? "4" also seems quite low for the given
>> purpose? Could we just pick and hardcode 8 or 16 and avoid the selection, at
>> least until there's some more experience with the whole approach?
>
> I assume it was for doing performance (speed or space) analysis for
> people interested in tuning it. The default is 16, which is what most
> folks will end up with. i.e. I'm not sure I see a benefit to dropping 2
> and 4, since I imagine people will either want the highest value (16),
> or the ability to do a full comparison of each setting.
>
> Regardless, I would be fine if we dropped 2 and 4, since I am focused on
> the maximum number (16) of hash buckets. :)
>
It's true that 2 and 4 don't make much sense from the hardening
perspective, and I added them only to cover all possible choices. And
since the overhead difference between 8 and 16 is small, I will hardcode
16 and drop all other options in the next version.
> -Kees
>
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