Date:   Thu, 29 Jun 2023 11:43:30 +0800
From:   Hsia-Jun Li <Randy.Li@...aptics.com>
To:     Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@...fresne.ca>
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        Helen Koike <helen.koike@...labora.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/9] media: v4l2: Extend pixel formats to unify
 single/multi-planar handling (and more)


On 6/29/23 00:27, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
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> Le mardi 27 juin 2023 à 14:42 +0800, Hsia-Jun Li a écrit :
>>> +/**
>>> + * struct v4l2_ext_pix_format - extended multiplanar format definition
>>> + * @type:          enum v4l2_buf_type; type of the data stream
>>> + * @width:         image width in pixels
>>> + * @height:                image height in pixels
>>> + * @pixelformat:   little endian four character code (fourcc)
>>> + * @modifier:              modifier applied to the format (used for tiled formats
>>> + *                 and other kind of HW-specific formats, like compressed
>>> + *                 formats) as defined in drm_fourcc.h
>>> + * @field:         enum v4l2_field; field order (for interlaced video)
>>> + * @colorspace:            enum v4l2_colorspace; supplemental to pixelformat
>>> + * @plane_fmt:             per-plane information
>>> + * @flags:         format flags (V4L2_PIX_FMT_FLAG_*)
>>> + * @ycbcr_enc:             enum v4l2_ycbcr_encoding, Y'CbCr encoding
>>> + * @hsv_enc:               enum v4l2_hsv_encoding, HSV encoding
>>> + * @quantization:  enum v4l2_quantization, colorspace quantization
>>> + * @xfer_func:             enum v4l2_xfer_func, colorspace transfer function
>>> + * @reserved:              drivers and applications must zero this array
>>> + */
>>> +struct v4l2_ext_pix_format {
>>> +   __u32                           type;
>>> +   __u32                           width;
>>> +   __u32                           height;
>>> +   __u32                           pixelformat;
>>> +   __u64                           modifier;
>>> +   __u32                           field;
>>> +   __u32                           colorspace;
>>> +
>>> +   struct v4l2_plane_pix_format    plane_fmt[VIDEO_MAX_PLANES];
>>> +   __u8                            flags;
>>> +    union {
>>> +           __u8                            ycbcr_enc;
>>> +           __u8                            hsv_enc;
>>> +   };
>>> +   __u8                            quantization;
>>> +   __u8                            xfer_func;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>      I heard that a suggestion that we could remove colorimetry fields
>>        here.
>>      Although those are useless for codec M2M drivers if no pixel
>>        formats translation invoked.
>>      Even HDMI(DRM) cares about colorspace.
>>      For example if a downsink(TV) shows RGB formats,  with an YUV
>>        input frame buffer, colorimetry would be important or the wrong
>>        EOTF would be used. If YUV is MPEG range(linear EOTF) while a
>>        non-linear EOFT (full range) is used, you would found the black is
>>        not black enough while the white looks a gray. Also color bias
>>        would happen.
>>      This problem may not happen to a ultra high resolution TV while
>>        only YUV type color formats are supported due to HDMI bandwidth
>>        limitation.
>>      The problem I want to raise is the time cost for enumeration.
>>        Each pixel format with a colorimetry setting would invoke a
>>        ioctl(). For the application likes Gstreamer would enum all the
>>        possible colorimetries.
>>      It would be better we could have something like DRM blob id that
>>        application could copy the data from a non-DMA buffer from the
>>        kernel.
> This is a good topic. Colorimetry could indeed be moved away from the format,
> considering they cannot be enumerated. It remains that this information needs to
> be passed around, and the format of a blob in media space is not has restricted
> as with display HW. I think keeping an "exploded version" of the colorimetry
> remains needed.
>
> Remember though that for stateful decoder, were the information could be stored
> in the bitstream, the decoder is responsible for returning that information.
> Currently its passed through the G_FMT call, it would need to be replaced with a
> control, similar to the HDR10 static metadata. If the colorimetry is no longer
> static in the future, and may change while streaming, one option would be RO
> request. This was foreseen for HDR10+ and Dolby Vision metadata notably, though
> other options exists.

That is why I want to promote importing a whole buffer(framebuffer id) 
from drm.

We can't pass such DMA metadate with the main data(graphics here) in a 
queue.

>
> There exist known decoders that can do YUV to RGB conversion using an inline
> post procesor (VC8000D and newer is an example), and for these to return correct
> colors, the colorimetry information needs to be passed. So its not strictly
> useless.
>
> In short, if we drop colorimetry from format, we also need to go ahead and

I am worrying when people setup up a UVC device(usb camera), they may 
ignore this step.

Camera could be in a BT.601 colorspace than BT.709 which has a slight 
difference. And BT.601 has a full range variant.
> design a replacement for it, that allow for the application to detect changes.
>
> regards,
> Nicolas
>
-- 
Hsia-Jun(Randy) Li

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