linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v12 07/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to enable TDX on demand

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Fri, 30 Jun 2023 16:13:39 -0700
From:   Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
To:     Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>,
        Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@...il.com>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Kai Huang <kai.huang@...el.com>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
        Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>,
        "david@...hat.com" <david@...hat.com>,
        "bagasdotme@...il.com" <bagasdotme@...il.com>,
        "ak@...ux.intel.com" <ak@...ux.intel.com>,
        Rafael J Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
        "kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
        Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@...el.com>,
        "pbonzini@...hat.com" <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
        "mingo@...hat.com" <mingo@...hat.com>,
        "tglx@...utronix.de" <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@...el.com>,
        "nik.borisov@...e.com" <nik.borisov@...e.com>,
        "hpa@...or.com" <hpa@...or.com>, Sagi Shahar <sagis@...gle.com>,
        "imammedo@...hat.com" <imammedo@...hat.com>,
        "bp@...en8.de" <bp@...en8.de>, Chao Gao <chao.gao@...el.com>,
        Len Brown <len.brown@...el.com>,
        "sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@...ux.intel.com" 
        <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@...ux.intel.com>,
        Ying Huang <ying.huang@...el.com>,
        Dan J Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        "x86@...nel.org" <x86@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 07/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to enable TDX on
 demand

On 6/30/23 14:24, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> That said, if this is a sticking point, let's just make enable_tdx off by default,
> i.e. force userspace to opt-in.  Deployments that *know* they may want to schedule
> TDX VMs on the host can simply force the module param.  And for everyone else,
> since KVM is typically configured as a module by distros, KVM can be unloaded and
> reload if the user realizes they want TDX well after the system is up and running.

Let's just default it to off for now.

If we default it to on, we risk inflicting TDX on existing KVM users
that don't want it (by surprise).  If it turns out to _that_ big of an
inconvenience, we'd have to reverse course and change the default from
on=>off.  *That* would break existing TDX users when we do it.  Gnashing
of teeth all around would ensue.

On the other hand, if we force TDX users to turn it on from day one, we
don't surprise _anyone_ that wasn't asking for it.  The only teeth
gnashing is for the TDX folks.

We could change _that_ down the line if the TDX users get too rowdy.
But I'd much rather err on the side of inconveniencing the guys that
know they want the snazzy new hardware than those who just want to run
plain old VMs.

I honestly don't care all that much either way.  There's an escape hatch
at runtime (reload kvm_intel.ko) no matter what we do.