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Date:   Wed, 5 Jul 2023 13:00:15 -0600
From:   Yu Zhao <yuzhao@...gle.com>
To:     Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>
Cc:     Yin Fengwei <fengwei.yin@...el.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
        David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
        Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@....com>,
        Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] variable-order, large folios for anonymous memory

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:16 AM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com> wrote:
>
> On 05/07/2023 01:21, Yu Zhao wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 5:53 PM Yin Fengwei <fengwei.yin@...el.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/4/23 23:36, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> >>> On 04/07/2023 08:11, Yu Zhao wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 12:22 AM Yin, Fengwei <fengwei.yin@...el.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7/4/2023 10:18 AM, Yu Zhao wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 7:53 AM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is v2 of a series to implement variable order, large folios for anonymous
> >>>>>>> memory. The objective of this is to improve performance by allocating larger
> >>>>>>> chunks of memory during anonymous page faults. See [1] for background.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the quick response!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've significantly reworked and simplified the patch set based on comments from
> >>>>>>> Yu Zhao (thanks for all your feedback!). I've also renamed the feature to
> >>>>>>> VARIABLE_THP, on Yu's advice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The last patch is for arm64 to explicitly override the default
> >>>>>>> arch_wants_pte_order() and is intended as an example. If this series is accepted
> >>>>>>> I suggest taking the first 4 patches through the mm tree and the arm64 change
> >>>>>>> could be handled through the arm64 tree separately. Neither has any build
> >>>>>>> dependency on the other.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The one area where I haven't followed Yu's advice is in the determination of the
> >>>>>>> size of folio to use. It was suggested that I have a single preferred large
> >>>>>>> order, and if it doesn't fit in the VMA (due to exceeding VMA bounds, or there
> >>>>>>> being existing overlapping populated PTEs, etc) then fallback immediately to
> >>>>>>> order-0. It turned out that this approach caused a performance regression in the
> >>>>>>> Speedometer benchmark.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I suppose it's regression against the v1, not the unpatched kernel.
> >>>>> From the performance data Ryan shared, it's against unpatched kernel:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Speedometer 2.0:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> | kernel                         |   runs_per_min |
> >>>>> |:-------------------------------|---------------:|
> >>>>> | baseline-4k                    |           0.0% |
> >>>>> | anonfolio-lkml-v1              |           0.7% |
> >>>>> | anonfolio-lkml-v2-simple-order |          -0.9% |
> >>>>> | anonfolio-lkml-v2              |           0.5% |
> >>>>
> >>>> I see. Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> A couple of questions:
> >>>> 1. Do we have a stddev?
> >>>
> >>> | kernel                    |   mean_abs |   std_abs |   mean_rel |   std_rel |
> >>> |:------------------------- |-----------:|----------:|-----------:|----------:|
> >>> | baseline-4k               |      117.4 |       0.8 |       0.0% |      0.7% |
> >>> | anonfolio-v1              |      118.2 |         1 |       0.7% |      0.9% |
> >>> | anonfolio-v2-simple-order |      116.4 |       1.1 |      -0.9% |      0.9% |
> >>> | anonfolio-v2              |        118 |       1.2 |       0.5% |      1.0% |
> >>>
> >>> This is with 3 runs per reboot across 5 reboots, with first run after reboot
> >>> trimmed (it's always a bit slower, I assume due to cold page cache). So 10 data
> >>> points per kernel in total.
> >>>
> >>> I've rerun the test multiple times and see similar results each time.
> >>>
> >>> I've also run anonfolio-v2 with Kconfig FLEXIBLE_THP=disabled and in this case I
> >>> see the same performance as baseline-4k.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 2. Do we have a theory why it regressed?
> >>>
> >>> I have a woolly hypothesis; I think Chromium is doing mmap/munmap in ways that
> >>> mean when we fault, order-4 is often too big to fit in the VMA. So we fallback
> >>> to order-0. I guess this is happening so often for this workload that the cost
> >>> of doing the checks and fallback is outweighing the benefit of the memory that
> >>> does end up with order-4 folios.
> >>>
> >>> I've sampled the memory in each bucket (once per second) while running and its
> >>> roughly:
> >>>
> >>> 64K: 25%
> >>> 32K: 15%
> >>> 16K: 15%
> >>> 4K: 45%
> >>>
> >>> 32K and 16K obviously fold into the 4K bucket with anonfolio-v2-simple-order.
> >>> But potentially, I suspect there is lots of mmap/unmap for the smaller sizes and
> >>> the 64K contents is more static - that's just a guess though.
> >> So this is like out of vma range thing.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Assuming no bugs, I don't see how a real regression could happen --
> >>>> falling back to order-0 isn't different from the original behavior.
> >>>> Ryan, could you `perf record` and `cat /proc/vmstat` and share them?
> >>>
> >>> I can, but it will have to be a bit later in the week. I'll do some more test
> >>> runs overnight so we have a larger number of runs - hopefully that might tell us
> >>> that this is noise to a certain extent.
> >>>
> >>> I'd still like to hear a clear technical argument for why the bin-packing
> >>> approach is not the correct one!
> >> My understanding to Yu's (Yu, correct me if I am wrong) comments is that we
> >> postpone this part of change and make basic anon large folio support in. Then
> >> discuss which approach we should take. Maybe people will agree retry is the
> >> choice, maybe other approach will be taken...
> >>
> >> For example, for this out of VMA range case, per VMA order should be considered.
> >> We don't need make decision that the retry should be taken now.
> >
> > I've articulated the reasons in another email. Just summarize the most
> > important point here:
> > using more fallback orders makes a system reach equilibrium faster, at
> > which point it can't allocate the order of arch_wants_pte_order()
> > anymore. IOW, this best-fit policy can reduce the number of folios of
> > the h/w prefered order for a system running long enough.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to write all the arguments down. I understand what
> you are saying. If we are considering the whole system, then we also need to
> think about the page cache though, and that will allocate multiple orders, so
> you are still going to suffer fragmentation from that user.

1. page cache doesn't use the best-fit policy -- it has the advantage
of having RA hit/miss numbers -- IOW, it doesn't try all orders
without an estimated ROI.
2. page cache causes far less fragmentation in my experience: clean
page cache gets reclaimed first under memory; unmapped page cache is
less costly to migrate. Neither is true for anon, and what makes it
worse is that heavy anon users usually enable zram/zswap: allocating
memory (to store compressed data) under memory pressure makes
reclaim/compaction even harder.

> That said, I like the proposal patch posted where we have up to 3 orders that we
> try in order of preference; hw-preferred, PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER and 0. That
> feels like a good compromise that allows me to fulfil my objectives. I'm going
> to pull this together into a v3 patch set and aim to post towards the end of the
> week.
>
> Are you ok for me to add a Suggested-by: for you? (submitting-patches.rst says I
> need your explicit permission).

Thanks for asking. No need to worry about it -- it's been a great team
work with you, Fengwei, Yang et al.

I'm attaching a single patch containing all pieces I spelled
out/implied/forgot to mention. It doesn't depend on other series -- I
just stress-tested it on top of the latest mm-unstable. Please feel
free to reuse any bits you see fit. Again no need to worry about
Suggested-by.

> On the regression front, I've done a much bigger test run and see the regression
> is still present (although the mean has shifted a little bit). I've also built a
> kernel based on anonfolio-lkml-v2 but where arch_wants_pte_order() returns
> order-3. The aim was to test your hypothesis that 64K allocation is slow. This
> kernel is performing even better, so I think that confirms your hypothesis:

Great, thanks for confirming.

> | kernel                         |   runs_per_min |   runs |   sessions |
> |:-------------------------------|---------------:|-------:|-----------:|
> | baseline-4k                    |           0.0% |     75 |         15 |
> | anonfolio-lkml-v1              |           1.0% |     75 |         15 |
> | anonfolio-lkml-v2-simple-order |          -0.4% |     75 |         15 |
> | anonfolio-lkml-v2              |           0.9% |     75 |         15 |
> | anonfolio-lkml-v2-32k          |           1.4% |     10 |          5 |

Since we are all committed to the effort long term, the last number is
good enough for the initial step to conclude. Hopefully v3 can address
all pending comments and get into mm-unstable.

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