linux-kernel - Re: Fwd: Need NVME QUIRK BOGUS for SAMSUNG MZ1WV480HCGL-000MV (Samsung SM-953 Datacenter SSD)

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Message-ID: <23017407-83eb-8fb0-5d91-2c7c4ae02544@grimberg.me>
Date:   Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:14:54 +0300
From:   Sagi Grimberg <sagi@...mberg.me>
To:     Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Linux regressions mailing list <regressions@...ts.linux.dev>
Cc:     Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@...sung.com>,
        Keith Busch <kbusch@...nel.org>,
        Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@...il.com>,
        Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
        "Clemens S." <cspringsguth@...il.com>,
        Martin Belanger <martin.belanger@...l.com>,
        Chaitanya Kulkarni <kch@...dia.com>,
        John Meneghini <jmeneghi@...hat.com>,
        Hannes Reinecke <hare@...e.de>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux NVMe <linux-nvme@...ts.infradead.org>,
        Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@...sung.com>,
        Javier Gonzalez <javier.gonz@...sung.com>,
        박진환 <jh.i.park@...sung.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Need NVME QUIRK BOGUS for SAMSUNG MZ1WV480HCGL-000MV
 (Samsung SM-953 Datacenter SSD)


>> Well, that "They keep pumping out more and more devices with the same
>> breakage" and the "new device" comment from Pankaj below bear the
>> question: should we stop trying to play "whack a mole" with all those
>> quirk entries and handle devices with duplicate ids just like Windows does?
> 
> As far as I can tell Windows completely ignores the IDs.  Which, looking
> back, I'd love to be able to do as well, but they are already used
> by udev for the /dev/disk/by-id/ links.   Those are usually not used
> on desktop systems, as they use the file system labels and UUIDs, but
> that doesn't work for non-file system uses.
> 
> And all this has been working really well with the good old enterprise
> SSDs, it's just that the cheap consumer devices keep fucking it up.
> 
> If we'd take it away now we'd break existing users, which puts us between
> a rock and a hard place.

Maybe the compromise would be to add a modparam that tells the driver
to ignore it altogether (like allow_bogus_identifiers) that would
default to false. Then people can just workaround the problem instead
of having the back-and-fourth with the vendor?