linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH v2 20/20] x86/mm, mm/vmalloc: Defer flush_tlb_kernel_range() targeting NOHZ

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Date:   Tue, 25 Jul 2023 15:21:55 +0200
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 20/20] x86/mm, mm/vmalloc: Defer
 flush_tlb_kernel_range() targeting NOHZ_FULL CPUs

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:40:04AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:

> TLB flushes for freed page tables are another game entirely.  The CPU is
> free to cache any part of the paging hierarchy it wants at any time.
> It's also free to set accessed and dirty bits at any time, even for
> instructions that may never execute architecturally.
> 
> That basically means that if you have *ANY* freed page table page
> *ANYWHERE* in the page table hierarchy of any CPU at any time ... you're
> screwed.
> 
> There's no reasoning about accesses or ordering.  As soon as the CPU
> does *anything*, it's out to get you.
> 
> You're going to need to do something a lot more radical to deal with
> free page table pages.

Ha! IIRC the only thing we can reasonably do there is to have strict
per-cpu page-tables such that NOHZ_FULL CPUs can be isolated. That is,
as long we the per-cpu tables do not contain -- and have never contained
-- a particular table page, we can avoid flushing it. Because if it
never was there, it also couldn't have speculatively loaded it.

Now, x86 doesn't really do per-cpu page tables easily (otherwise we'd
have done them ages ago) and doing them is going to be *major* surgery
and pain.

Other than that, we must take the TLBI-IPI when freeing
page-table-pages.


But yeah, I think Nadav is right, vmalloc.c never frees page-tables (or
at least, I couldn't find it in a hurry either), but if we're going to
be doing this, then that file must include a very prominent comment
explaining it must never actually do so either.

Not being able to free page-tables might be a 'problem' if we're going
to be doing more of HUGE_VMALLOC, because that means it becomes rather
hard to swizzle from small to large pages.