linux-kernel - RE: [patch v2 21/38] x86/cpu: Provide cpu_init/parse

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Date:   Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:43:24 +0000
From:   "Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@...rosoft.com>
To:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
CC:     LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "x86@...nel.org" <x86@...nel.org>,
        Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@....com>,
        Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com>,
        Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...ux.intel.com>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Dick Kennedy <dick.kennedy@...adcom.com>,
        James Smart <james.smart@...adcom.com>,
        "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@...cle.com>,
        "linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>,
        Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
        "linux-hwmon@...r.kernel.org" <linux-hwmon@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jean Delvare <jdelvare@...e.com>,
        Huang Rui <ray.huang@....com>, Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>,
        Steve Wahl <steve.wahl@....com>,
        Mike Travis <mike.travis@....com>,
        Dimitri Sivanich <dimitri.sivanich@....com>,
        Russ Anderson <russ.anderson@....com>,
        "linux-hyperv@...r.kernel.org" <linux-hyperv@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Subject: RE: [patch v2 21/38] x86/cpu: Provide cpu_init/parse_topology()

From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 3:25 PM
> 
> Michael!
> 
> On Tue, Aug 01 2023 at 00:12, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 31 2023 at 21:27, Michael Kelley wrote:
> > Clearly the hyper-v BIOS people put a lot of thoughts into this:
> >
> >>    x2APIC features / processor topology (0xb):
> >>       extended APIC ID                      = 0
> >>       --- level 0 ---
> >>       level number                          = 0x0 (0)
> >>       level type                            = thread (1)
> >>       bit width of level                    = 0x1 (1)
> >>       number of logical processors at level = 0x2 (2)
> >>       --- level 1 ---
> >>       level number                          = 0x1 (1)
> >>       level type                            = core (2)
> >>       bit width of level                    = 0x6 (6)
> >>       number of logical processors at level = 0x40 (64)
> >
> > FAIL:                                           ^^^^^
> >
> > While that field is not meant for topology evaluation it is at least
> > expected to tell the actual number of logical processors at that level
> > which are actually available.
> >
> > The CPUID APIC ID aka initial_apicid clearly tells that the topology has
> > 36 logical CPUs in package 0 and 36 in package 1 according to your
> > table.
> >
> > On real hardware this looks like this:
> >
> >       --- level 1 ---
> >       level number                          = 0x1 (1)
> >       level type                            = core (2)
> >       bit width of level                    = 0x6 (6)
> >       number of logical processors at level = 0x38 (56)
> >
> > Which corresponds to reality and is consistent. But sure, consistency is
> > overrated.
> 
> So I looked really hard to find some hint how to detect this situation
> on the boot CPU, which allows us to mitigate it, but there is none at
> all.
> 
> So we are caught between a rock and a hard place, which provides us two
> mutually exclusive options to chose from:
> 
>   1) Have a sane topology evaluation mechanism which solves the known
>      problems of hybrid systems, wrong sizing estimates and other
>      unpleasantries.
> 
>   2) Support the Hyper-V BIOS trainwreck forever.
> 
> Unsurprisingly #2 is not really an option as #1 is a crucial issue for
> the kernel and we need it resolved urgently as of yesterday.
> 
> So while I'm definitely a strong supporter of no-regression policy, I
> have to make an argument here why this particular issue is _not_
> covered:
> 
>  1) Hyper-V BIOS/firmware violates the firmware specification and
>     requirements which are clearly spelled out in the SDM.
> 
>  2) This violatation is reported on every boot with one promiment
>     message per brought up AP where the initial APIC ID as provided by
>     CPUID leaf 0xB deviates from the APIC ID read from "hardware", which is
>     also provided by MADT starting with CPU 36 in the provided example:
> 
>     "[FIRMWARE BUG] CPU36: APIC id mismatch. Firmware: 40 APIC: 24"
> 
>     repeating itself up to CPU71 with the relevant diverging APIC IDs.
> 
>     At least that's what the upstream kernel produces according to
>     validate_apic_and_package_id() in such an situation.
> 
>  3) This is known for years and the Hyper-V Linux team tried to get this
>     resolved, but obviously their arguments fell on deaf ears.
> 
>     IOW, the firmware BUG message has been ignored willfully for years
>     due to "works for me, why should I care?" attitude.
> 
> Seriously, kernel development cannot be held hostage forever by the
> wilful ignorance of a BIOS team, which refuses to adhere to
> specifications and defines their own world order.
> 
> The x86 maintainer team is chosing the lesser of two evils and lets
> those who created the problem and refused to resolve it deal with the
> outcome.

Fair enough.  I don't have any basis to argue otherwise.  I'm in
discussions with the Hyper-V team about getting it fully fixed in
Hyper-V, and it looks like there's some movement to make it happen.

> 
> Just to clarify. This is not preventing affected guests from booting.
> The worst consequence is a slight performance regression because the
> firmware provided topology information is not matching reality and
> therefore the scheduler placement vs. L3 affinity sucks. That's clearly
> not a kernel problem.

Yes, if Linux will still boots and runs, that helps.  Then it really is up the
(virtual) firmware in Hyper-V to provide the correct topology information
so performance is as expected.

> 
> I'm happy to aid accelerating this thought process by elevating the
> existing pr_err(FW_BUG....) to a solid WARN_ON_ONCE(). See below.

Your choice.  In this particular case, it won't make a difference either
way.

Michael

> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx
> ---
> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/common.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/common.c
> @@ -1688,7 +1688,7 @@ static void validate_apic_and_package_id
> 
>  	apicid = apic->cpu_present_to_apicid(cpu);
> 
> -	if (apicid != c->topo.apicid) {
> +	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(apicid != c->topo.apicid)) {
>  		pr_err(FW_BUG "CPU%u: APIC id mismatch. Firmware: %x APIC: %x\n",
>  		       cpu, apicid, c->topo.initial_apicid);
>  	}