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Date:   Wed, 9 Aug 2023 16:43:59 +0200
From:   Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@...tlin.com>
To:     Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl>
Cc:     Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@...labora.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-media@...r.kernel.org,
        Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@....fi>,
        Andrzej Pietrasiewicz <andrzej.p@...labora.com>,
        Michael Tretter <m.tretter@...gutronix.de>,
        Jernej Škrabec <jernej.skrabec@...il.com>,
        Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@...e.org>,
        Samuel Holland <samuel@...lland.org>,
        Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@...tlin.com>
Subject: Re: Stateless Encoding uAPI Discussion and Proposal

Hi Hans,

On Wed 26 Jul 23, 10:18, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> On 11/07/2023 20:18, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> > Le mardi 11 juillet 2023 à 19:12 +0200, Paul Kocialkowski a écrit :
> >> Hi everyone!
> >>
> >> After various discussions following Andrzej's talk at EOSS, feedback from the
> >> Media Summit (which I could not attend unfortunately) and various direct
> >> discussions, I have compiled some thoughts and ideas about stateless encoders
> >> support with various proposals. This is the result of a few years of interest
> >> in the topic, after working on a PoC for the Hantro H1 using the hantro driver,
> >> which turned out to have numerous design issues.
> >>
> >> I am now working on a H.264 encoder driver for Allwinner platforms (currently
> >> focusing on the V3/V3s), which already provides some usable bitstream and will
> >> be published soon.
> >>
> >> This is a very long email where I've tried to split things into distinct topics
> >> and explain a few concepts to make sure everyone is on the same page.
> >>
> >> # Bitstream Headers
> >>
> >> Stateless encoders typically do not generate all the bitstream headers and
> >> sometimes no header at all (e.g. Allwinner encoder does not even produce slice
> >> headers). There's often some hardware block that makes bit-level writing to the
> >> destination buffer easier (deals with alignment, etc).
> >>
> >> The values of the bitstream headers must be in line with how the compressed
> >> data bitstream is generated and generally follow the codec specification.
> >> Some encoders might allow configuring all the fields found in the headers,
> >> others may only allow configuring a few or have specific constraints regarding
> >> which values are allowed.
> >>
> >> As a result, we cannot expect that any given encoder is able to produce frames
> >> for any set of headers. Reporting related constraints and limitations (beyond
> >> profile/level) seems quite difficult and error-prone.
> >>
> >> So it seems that keeping header generation in-kernel only (close to where the
> >> hardware is actually configured) is the safest approach.
> > 
> > This seems to match with what happened with the Hantro VP8 proof of concept. The
> > encoder does not produce the frame header, but also, it produces 2 encoded
> > buffers which cannot be made contiguous at the hardware level. This notion of
> > plane in coded data wasn't something that blended well with the rest of the API
> > and we didn't want to copy in the kernel while the userspace would also be
> > forced to copy to align the headers. Our conclusion was that it was best to
> > generate the headers and copy both segment before delivering to userspace. I
> > suspect this type of situation will be quite common.
> > 
> >>
> >> # Codec Features
> >>
> >> Codecs have many variable features that can be enabled or not and specific
> >> configuration fields that can take various values. There is usually some
> >> top-level indication of profile/level that restricts what can be used.
> >>
> >> This is a very similar situation to stateful encoding, where codec-specific
> >> controls are used to report and set profile/level and configure these aspects.
> >> A particularly nice thing about it is that we can reuse these existing controls
> >> and add new ones in the future for features that are not yet covered.
> >>
> >> This approach feels more flexible than designing new structures with a selected
> >> set of parameters (that could match the existing controls) for each codec.
> > 
> > Though, reading more into this emails, we still have a fair amount of controls
> > to design and add, probably some compound controls too ?
> 
> I expect that for stateless encoders support for read-only requests will be needed:
> 
> https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/project/linux-media/list/?series=5647
> 
> I worked on that in the past together with dynamic control arrays. The dynamic
> array part was merged, but the read-only request part wasn't (there was never a
> driver that actually needed it).
> 
> I don't know if that series still applies, but if there is a need for it then I
> can rebase it and post an RFCv3.

So if I understand this correctly (from a quick look), this would be to allow
stateless encoder drivers to attach a particular control value to a specific
returned frame?

I guess this would be a good match to return statistics about the encoded frame.
However that would probably be expressed in a hardware-specific way so it
seems preferable to not expose this to userspace and handle it in-kernel
instead.

What's really important for userspace to know (in order to do user-side
rate-control, which we definitely want to support) is the resulting bitstream
size. This is already available with bytesused.

So all in all I think we're good with the current status of request support.

Cheers,

Paul

-- 
Paul Kocialkowski, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

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