linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 4/5] fuse: writeback_cache consistency enhancement (writeback_cache

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Date:   Thu, 24 Aug 2023 00:55:29 +0200
From:   Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@...tmail.fm>
To:     Jiachen Zhang <zhangjiachen.jaycee@...edance.com>,
        Miklos Szeredi <miklos@...redi.hu>
Cc:     Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        me@...x.top
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] fuse: writeback_cache consistency enhancement
 (writeback_cache_v2)



On 8/23/23 12:59, Jiachen Zhang wrote:
> On 2023/8/23 18:35, Bernd Schubert wrote:
>> On 8/23/23 11:07, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 06:36, Jiachen Zhang
>>> <zhangjiachen.jaycee@...edance.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some users may want both the high performance of the writeback_cahe 
>>>> mode
>>>> and a little bit more consistency among FUSE mounts. Current
>>>> writeback_cache mode never updates attributes from server, so can never
>>>> see the file attributes changed by other FUSE mounts, which means
>>>> 'zero-consisteny'.
>>>>
>>>> This commit introduces writeback_cache_v2 mode, which allows the 
>>>> attributes
>>>> to be updated from server to kernel when the inode is clean and no
>>>> writeback is in-progressing. FUSE daemons can select this mode by the
>>>> FUSE_WRITEBACK_CACHE_V2 init flag.
>>>>
>>>> In writeback_cache_v2 mode, the server generates official attributes.
>>>> Therefore,
>>>>
>>>>      1. For the cmtime, the cmtime generated by kernel are just 
>>>> temporary
>>>>      values that are never flushed to server by fuse_write_inode(), 
>>>> and they
>>>>      could be eventually updated by the official server cmtime. The
>>>>      mtime-based revalidation of the fc->auto_inval_data mode is also
>>>>      skipped, as the kernel-generated temporary cmtime are likely 
>>>> not equal
>>>>      to the offical server cmtime.
>>>>
>>>>      2. For the file size, we expect server updates its file size on
>>>>      FUSE_WRITEs. So we increase fi->attr_version in 
>>>> fuse_writepage_end() to
>>>>      check the staleness of the returning file size.
>>>>
>>>> Together with FOPEN_INVAL_ATTR, a FUSE daemon is able to implement
>>>> close-to-open (CTO) consistency like NFS client implementations.
>>>
>>> What I'd prefer is mode similar to NFS: getattr flushes pending writes
>>> so that server ctime/mtime are always in sync with client.  FUSE
>>> probably should have done that from the beginning, but at that time I
>>> wasn't aware of the NFS solution.
>>
>>
>> I think it would be good to have flush-on-getattr configurable - 
>> systems with a distributed lock manager (DLM) and notifications from 
>> server/daemon to kernel should not need it.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bernd
> 
> Hi Miklos and Bernd,
> 
> I agree that flush-on-getattr is a good solution to keep the c/mtime
> consistency for the view of userspace applications.
> 
> Maybe in the next version, we can add the flush-on-getattr just for the
> writeback_cache_v2 mode, as daemons replying on reverse notifications
> are likely not need the writeback_cache_v2 mode. What do you think?

Hi Jiachen,

isn't Miklos' idea that we can avoid writeback_cache_v2 mode?


Thanks,
Bernd