linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] platform/x86: thinkpad

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Message-ID: <50da04e3-5e12-89d3-e3ad-f2ff4533a615@redhat.com>
Date:   Wed, 13 Sep 2023 18:53:46 +0200
From:   Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>
To:     Mark Pearson <mpearson-lenovo@...ebb.ca>,
        Fernando Eckhardt Valle <fevalle@....br>,
        Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@....eng.br>,
        "markgross@...nel.org" <markgross@...nel.org>,
        ibm-acpi-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net,
        "platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org" 
        <platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] platform/x86: thinkpad_acpi: sysfs interface to auxmac

Hi Mark, Fernando,

On 9/13/23 18:41, Mark Pearson wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>> Hi Fernando,
>>
>> On 9/6/23 21:52, Fernando Eckhardt Valle wrote:
>>> Newer Thinkpads have a feature called Mac Address Passthrough.
>>> This patch provides a sysfs interface that userspace can use
>>> to get this auxiliary mac address.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Fernando Eckhardt Valle <fevalle@....br>
>>
>> Thank you for your patch. 
>>
>> At a minimum for this patch to be accepted you will need
>> to document the new sysfs interface in:
>>
>> Documentation/admin-guide/laptops/thinkpad-acpi.rst
>>
>> But I wonder if we should export this information to
>> userspace in this way ?
>>
>> The reason why I'm wondering is because mac-address passthrough
>> in case of using e.g. Lenovo Thunderbolt docks is already
>> supported by the kernel by code for this in drivers/net/usb/r8152.c :
>>
>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/usb/r8152.c#n1613
>>
>> So I'm wondering if we really need this, is there a planned
>> userspace API consumer of the new sysfs interface ?
>>
>> Or is this only intended as a way for a user to query this, iow
>> is this purely intended for informational purposes ?
>>
> Hi Hans,
> 
> We've previously had strong pushback from the maintainers in the net tree that the MAC passthru should not be done there and should be done in user-space. I'd have to dig up the threads, but there was a preference for it to not be done in the kernel (and some frustrations at having vendor specific changes in the net driver).
> 
> We've also seen various timing issues (some related to ME FW doing it's thing) that makes it tricky to handle in the kernel - with added delays being needed leading to patches that can't be accepted.
> 
> This approach is one of the steps towards fixing this. Fernando did discuss and review this with me beforehand (apologies - I meant to add a note saying I'd been involved). If you think there is a better approach please let us know, but we figured as this is a Lenovo specific thing it made sense to have it here in thinkpad_acpi.
> 
> There will be a consumer (I think it's a script and udev rule) to update the MAC if a passthru-MAC address is provided via the BIOS. This will be open-source, but we haven't really figured out how to release it yet.
> 
> Fernando - please correct anything I've gotten wrong!

Ah that is all good to know. That pretty much takes care of
my objections / answers my questions.

Fernando can you please submit a v2 which:

1. Adds documentation as mentioned already
2. Moves the special handling of "XXXXXXXXXXXX" from show()
   to init() (writing to auxmac[] in show() is a bit weird,
   also we only need to do this once, so it is init code)

Regards,

Hans