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Date:   Fri, 22 Sep 2023 10:28:37 +0200
From:   Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl>
To:     Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@...labora.com>,
        Sebastian Fricke <sebastian.fricke@...labora.com>,
        Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...nel.org>,
        Nas Chung <nas.chung@...psnmedia.com>,
        Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@...gutronix.de>,
        Fabio Estevam <festevam@...il.com>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Shawn Guo <shawnguo@...nel.org>,
        Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@...gutronix.de>,
        Jackson Lee <jackson.lee@...psnmedia.com>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@...aro.org>,
        NXP Linux Team <linux-imx@....com>,
        Conor Dooley <conor+dt@...nel.org>,
        Pengutronix Kernel Team <kernel@...gutronix.de>
Cc:     devicetree@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        Robert Beckett <bob.beckett@...labora.com>,
        linux-media@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        kernel@...labora.com, Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 1/7] media: v4l2: Add ignore_streaming flag

On 21/09/2023 20:39, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Le mercredi 20 septembre 2023 à 16:49 +0200, Hans Verkuil a écrit :
>> On 20/09/2023 16:08, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
>>> cc Tomasz Figa
>>>
>>> Le mercredi 20 septembre 2023 à 14:59 +0200, Hans Verkuil a écrit :
>>>> On 15/09/2023 23:11, Sebastian Fricke wrote:
>>>>> Add a new flag to the `struct v4l2_m2m_dev` to toggle whether a queue
>>>>> must be streaming in order to allow queuing jobs to the ready queue.
>>>>> Currently, both queues (CAPTURE & OUTPUT) must be streaming in order to
>>>>> allow adding new jobs. This behavior limits the usability of M2M for
>>>>> some drivers, as these have to be able, to perform analysis of the
>>>>
>>>> able, to -> able to
>>>>
>>>>> sequence to ensure, that userspace prepares the CAPTURE queue correctly.
>>>>
>>>> ensure, that -> ensure that
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sebastian Fricke <sebastian.fricke@...labora.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@...labora.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>  include/media/v4l2-mem2mem.h | 17 +++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/include/media/v4l2-mem2mem.h b/include/media/v4l2-mem2mem.h
>>>>> index d6c8eb2b5201..97a48e61e358 100644
>>>>> --- a/include/media/v4l2-mem2mem.h
>>>>> +++ b/include/media/v4l2-mem2mem.h
>>>>> @@ -57,6 +57,16 @@ struct v4l2_m2m_dev;
>>>>>   * @rdy_spinlock: spin lock to protect the struct usage
>>>>>   * @num_rdy:	number of buffers ready to be processed
>>>>>   * @buffered:	is the queue buffered?
>>>>> + * @ignore_streaming: Dictates whether the queue must be streaming for a job to
>>>>> + *		      be queued.
>>>>> + *		      This is useful, for example, when the driver requires to
>>>>> + *		      initialize the sequence with a firmware, where only a
>>>>> + *		      queued OUTPUT queue buffer and STREAMON on the OUTPUT
>>>>> + *		      queue is required to perform the anlysis of the bitstream
>>>>> + *		      header.
>>>>> + *		      This means the driver is responsible for implementing the
>>>>> + *		      job_ready callback correctly to make sure that requirements
>>>>> + *		      for actual decoding are met.
>>>>
>>>> This is a bad description and field name.
>>>
>>> I wonder what's your opinion about the buffered one then :-D
>>
>> Even worse :-)
>>
>> I still don't really understand what that does. Patches welcome.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Basically what this field does is that, if true, the streaming state of the
>>>> capture queue is ignored. So just call it that: ignore_cap_streaming.
>>>>
>>>> And explain that, if true, job_ready() will be called even if the capture
>>>> queue is not streaming, and that that can be used to allow hardware to
>>>> analyze the bitstream header that arrives on the OUTPUT queue.
>>>
>>> Ack.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, doesn't this field belong to struct v4l2_m2m_ctx? It makes no sense
>>>> for the output queue, this is really a configuration for the m2m context as
>>>> a whole.
>>>
>>> Unless we come up with a completely new type of M2M that can behave like a gap
>>> filler (like a video rate m2m), it indeed makes no sense for output. I'm just
>>> illustrating that this is true "now" but someone can come up with valid
>>> expectation. So I agree with you, we can move it up in the hierarchy.
>>>
>>> Recently over IRC and other threads, Tomasz raised a concern that CODECs where
>>> introducing too much complexity into M2M. And I believe buffered (which is
>>> barely documented) and this mechanism was being pointed.
>>>
>>> My take on that is that adding boolean configuration is what introduce
>>> complexity, and we can fix it by doing less in the m2m. After this discussion, I
>>> came with the idea that we should remove buffered and ignore_streaming. For
>>> drivers that don't implement job_ready, this logic would be moved inside the
>>> default implementation. We can then add a helper to check the common conditions.
>>>
>>> The alternative suggested by Tomasz, was to layer two ops. We'd have a
>>> device_ready() ops and its default implementation would include the check we
>>> have and would call job_ready(). Personally, I'd rather remove then add, but I
>>> understadt the reasoning and would be fine committing to that instead.
>>>
>>> I'd like your feedback on this proposal. If this is something we want, I'll do
>>> this prior to V13, otherwise we will address your comments and fix the added
>>> mechanism. I think though that we agree that for decoders, this is nice addition
>>> to not have to trigger work manually from vb2 ops.
>>
>> It comes down to a matter of taste, I guess. I personally think that using bools
>> to tweak the behavior of a framework does not necessarily increase complexity,
>> provided it is clearly documented what it does and why it is needed.
>>
>> I think an ignore_cap_streaming bool is pretty straightforward and has minimal
>> impact in the code. As long as there are good comments.
> 
> So for wave5 we will opt for this and apply your suggested changes. And I may
> come back later on the subject.
> 
>>
>> The 'buffered' flag is were this clearly failed completely, since I couldn't figure
>> out what it is supposed to do. But that is not because it makes the code more
>> complex, it is just because of shoddy documentation and naming.
>>
>> Quite often implementing tweaks like that are quite easy in a framework, since
>> you have all the information readily available. In a driver it can quickly become
>> messy.
> 
> In this case, "buffered" is used to disable the checks for having at least one
> buffer in the ready queues. In most cases, if you don't have at least 1 pending
> capture and 1 pending output buffer, there is no point in calling device_run.

So it is really similar to ignore_cap_streaming: that relaxes the streaming test,
and 'buffered' relaxes the 'must have at least one capture and output buffer ready'
test.

So this should be renamed to: allow_empty_queues

Although I would prefer to split this into two bools: allow_empty_capture_queue and
allow_empty_output_queue. It is more flexible that way and I actually think it is
easier to understand.

I see also see in the v4l2-mem2mem.c source that the debug messages are very poorly
worded:
	src = v4l2_m2m_next_src_buf(m2m_ctx);

        if (!src && !m2m_ctx->out_q_ctx.buffered) {
                dprintk("No input buffers available\n");
                goto job_unlock;
        }

This should be either "source buffers" or "output buffers", but definitely not
"input buffers".

Ditto for the dst part.

> 
> In reality, drivers will add use case specific checks in their job_ready()
> implementation. For decoders, the cases I can think of are:
> 
> - On capture if you haven't parsed the stream header
> - On capture if the driver removes them from ready queue as a way to track which
> one are considered free and may be used at any time by the firmware
> - On output queue, if you need device_run() to be called to complete the drain
> the reorder queue
> 
> Yet, you want this check after stream headers are parsed, or whenever a new
> bitstream decode operation is to be queued in the firmware. So this check gets
> re-implemented, but dynamically, in all decoders.
> 
> Deinterlacers may needs this too with some algorithms (the one that introduce
> delays at least). Its not clear to me why it was called buffered,
> ignore_rdy_queue might have been an option, though I'm not fully confident. Note
> that M2M can be confusing, since whenever you ask for last something, its always
> relative to the ready queue, and may not make a lot of sense in the context it
> is used.
> 
>>
>> For codec support there are a number of issues that increase complexity:
>> implementing support for the LAST flag and events, and supporting buffers
>> that can be held. Especially since driver implementations tend to vary.
>>
>> I've been experimenting with some cleanups and changes in v4l2-mem2mem.c
>> (https://git.linuxtv.org/hverkuil/media_tree.git/log/?h=enc-dec-cmd), mainly
>> surrounding the handling of the LAST flag. Note: this is failing the compliance
>> tests, I haven't had the time to pursue this further.
>>
>> I'm not sure whether the best approach is to move things out of the m2m framework,
>> or move things into the m2m framework, or add a more codec-specific layer on top
>> of the m2m framework, or a combination of all of these.
>>
>> It is something that needs experimentation, just see what works.
> 
> I can see you have omitted mark_stopped() calles when refactoring, which makes
> these patches change the behaviour. Could be related.

Could be. I hope to be able to spend a bit of time on this today.

> 
> This is no longer strictly related to this patch, but I think cmd_stop()
> implementation (even after your changes) are miss-fit for driver that speaks to
> firmware. As the firmware is being made aware of the free buffers, you can't
> just cherry-pick from the capture queue, you have to synchronise your state with
> the firmware while draining. The helper should be split in two parts I suppose,
> but cutting the line isn't easy.
> 
> Thread safe usage of the numerous boolean implicated in the draining state is
> also difficult. There is no other option then introduce a mutex or spinlock (if
> the state is needed in job_ready() implementation) to make this thread safe and
> reliable.

Regards,

	Hans

> 
>>
>> But for this specific flag: I think it is fine to put that in the m2m framework,
>> just document and name it well.
> 
> Ack.
> 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> 	Hans
>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Nicolas
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>   * Queue for buffers ready to be processed as soon as this
>>>>>   * instance receives access to the device.
>>>>> @@ -69,6 +79,7 @@ struct v4l2_m2m_queue_ctx {
>>>>>  	spinlock_t		rdy_spinlock;
>>>>>  	u8			num_rdy;
>>>>>  	bool			buffered;
>>>>> +	bool			ignore_streaming;
>>>>>  };
>>>>>  
>>>>>  /**
>>>>> @@ -564,6 +575,12 @@ static inline void v4l2_m2m_set_dst_buffered(struct v4l2_m2m_ctx *m2m_ctx,
>>>>>  	m2m_ctx->cap_q_ctx.buffered = buffered;
>>>>>  }
>>>>>  
>>>>> +static inline void v4l2_m2m_set_dst_ignore_streaming(struct v4l2_m2m_ctx *m2m_ctx,
>>>>> +						     bool ignore_streaming)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +	m2m_ctx->cap_q_ctx.ignore_streaming = ignore_streaming;
>>>>> +}
>>>>> +
>>>>
>>>> I think this is overkill, esp. when the field is moved to m2m_ctx. Just clearly
>>>> document that drivers can set this.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> 	Hans
>>>>
>>>>>  /**
>>>>>   * v4l2_m2m_ctx_release() - release m2m context
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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